Re: Sawfish + Screenlets doesn't work
- From: "Andrea Vettorello" <andrea vettorello gmail com>
- To: sawfish-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: Sawfish + Screenlets doesn't work
- Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 21:25:19 +0200
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Timo Korvola <Timo Korvola iki fi> wrote:
> "Andrea Vettorello" <andrea vettorello gmail com> writes:
> > I can't find in the EWMH specs how should be managed a window with
> > _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_TOOLBAR property enabled,
> I think that is intentional. The point of the _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE
> hint is not to specify how windows should be decorated. The hint
> specifies the role of the window and the wm can use this information
> as it pleases. Read the rationale in the wm-spec.
The other day I read it quite fast, but what I found confusing was
they state _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE "should be used by the window manager
in determining the decoration" but they don't define what should be an
acceptable decoration for toolbar windows.
> > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/wm-spec-list/2002-July/msg00002.html
> > is stated that a toolbar should be decorated by the toolkit not the
> > window manager.
> The message was rather vague, although GTK and Qt do decorate torn off
> toolbars. Unfortunately the wm-spec does not specify that toolbars
> would have to have client-provided support for management functions
> such as moving. In practice GTK and Qt toolbars do, and docking only
> works if you drag the toolkit-provided handle or titlebar rather than
> the wm-provided titlebar.
I've found another thread (it starts in july/august):
They state again that the EWMH spec is too vague. ^__^
> > Right now I can't recall other applications that use toolbars so I
> > don't know if it breaks something else.
> For GTK and Qt it might be an improvement, because users would then
> not be confused by toolbars failing to dock if you move them by
> dragging the wm titlebar. I do not recall other toolkits with
> tearable toolbars. Nevertheless, I'd be wary with this because the
> EWMH spec is so vague.
Other than OpenOffice, I spotted another application that uses a
toolbar (in a unorthodox way):
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