Re: [orca-list] Our list will be moving to Discourse
- From: "John G. Heim" <jheim math wisc edu>
- To: Michał Zegan <webczat outlook com>, Jace Kattalakkis <khalfang1366 gmail com>, orca-list gnome org
- Subject: Re: [orca-list] Our list will be moving to Discourse
- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2022 11:32:16 -0500
Nobody said anyting about web forums being either shiny or new. I sure
didn't say that and it has nothing to do with my point.
On 9/13/22 11:12, Michał Zegan wrote:
I mean, sorry, but forums are a very old concept. although we are now
talking about replacing our ml with a forum, why is everyone acting as
if forums themselves were something shiny and new? wtf?
W dniu 13.09.2022 o 17:57, John G. Heim via orca-list pisze:
The decay of a once great civilization. :-)
It's all these kids on their phones. Communication via cell phone
andweb forumns like Facebook, NextDoor, and Quora -- is not actually
better or more efficient. It just feels good. I am serious, our
methods of communication are getting worse because even though they
don't work as well, they feel good.
Its similar to how we lost the skill of writing letters when email
came around. At least email added efficiency and web forumns do not.
The only advantage to web forumns is that it is easy to argue with
someone thousands of miles away while you are sitting on a bus.
I'll admit though, that at some point, you do have to stop writing
letters.
On 9/13/22 03:41, Jace Kattalakkis via orca-list wrote:
On the one hand. Discourse is more modern than an email list.
On the other from what I remember, being on a Discourse forum, I got
emails giving me a digest of everything on the forum every
week...and specific ones only when I started a topic, and could
never reply to them at all even though it gave me the option to
respond via email. Now I don't have a running Discourse up and going
to test right now., but given the wide variety of Orca versions
being run here, it's not really a shock to say oh, everyone is going
to have differing experiences compared to, say, everyone just
reading a plain text email. Don't get me wrong Discourse has some
really, really nice features under the hood. But....it is not as
quick or easy to respond to emails or skip over topics I don't much
care for, for example I can just go down to the next message in
Mutt or Thunderbird, vs having to go down the topic list then wait
for Firefox or Brave or Chromium or whichever browser I'm using to
load up the page then scroll all the way down and past the message I
want
I feel like the idea of moving to a web based forum isn't really
practical in the long run for simplicity and ease of use, honestly.
It's taking away the quick and easy part of a mailing list
On 9/13/22 08:50, Christian Schoepplein via orca-list wrote:
Hi,
moving the list to a webbased service will be the most inaccessible
and most complicated solution, especialy if it is a discussion
plattform for and with blind users :-(. Allthough I know the
advantages of those webforums my expirence is that many blind
people will not longer use those plattforms because they are to
complicated, timeintensive and many unecessary content is presented
on those sites. We tried to move mailinglists for blind people to
webbased solutions years ago and they are dead now, the people do
not longer use them :-(.
This sites are not really accessible in most cases and interacting
with discussions is complicated or takes at least more time then
writing just simple emails. Most people know how to handle a
mailprogram, but using a webbased solution is not always easy for
them.
That said, I'd really suggest to move this list to a provider that
offers webbased access but also email based communication. If
communication via email is not longer possible, IMHO this forum
will be used by only a hand full users in future and other
alternative, easier to use solutions, will come up.
I'll try Discurse ofcourse, but I feel this is the wrong plattform
for us :-(. The people that made this decission did not have
accessiblity and inclusion in mind :-(.
Cheers,
Schoepp
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