Re: [orca-list] Our list will be moving to Discourse

["John G. Heim" <jheim math wisc edu>]

The decay of a once great civilization. :-)

It's all these kids on their phones. Communication via cell phone andweb 
forumns like Facebook, NextDoor, and Quora -- is not actually better or 
more efficient. It just feels good. I am serious, our methods of 
communication are getting worse because even though they don't work as 
well, they feel good.

Its similar to how we lost the skill of writing letters when email came 
around. At least email added efficiency and web forumns do not. The only 
advantage to web forumns is that it is easy to argue with someone 
thousands of miles away while you are sitting on a bus.

I'll admit though, that at some point, you do have to stop writing letters.

On 9/13/22 03:41, Jace Kattalakkis via orca-list wrote:
> On the one hand. Discourse is more modern than an email list.
>
> On the other from what I remember, being on a Discourse forum, I got 
> emails giving me a digest of everything on the forum every week...and 
> specific ones only when I started a topic, and could never reply to 
> them at all even though it gave me the option to respond via email. 
> Now I don't have a running Discourse up and going to test right now., 
> but given the wide variety of Orca versions being run here, it's not 
> really a shock to say oh, everyone is going to have differing 
> experiences compared to, say, everyone just reading a plain text 
> email. Don't get me wrong Discourse has some really, really nice 
> features under the hood. But....it is not as quick or easy to respond 
> to emails or skip over topics I don't much care for, for example I can 
> just go down to the next message in  Mutt or Thunderbird, vs having to 
> go down the topic list then wait for Firefox or Brave or Chromium or 
> whichever browser I'm using to load up the page then scroll all the 
> way down and past the message I want
>
> I feel like the idea of moving to a web based forum isn't really 
> practical in the long run for simplicity and ease of use, honestly. 
> It's taking away the quick and easy part of a mailing list
>
>
> On 9/13/22 08:50, Christian Schoepplein via orca-list wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > moving the list to a webbased service will be the most inaccessible 
> > and most complicated solution, especialy if it is a discussion 
> > plattform for and with blind users :-(. Allthough I know the 
> > advantages of those webforums my expirence is that many blind people 
> > will not longer use those plattforms because they are to complicated, 
> > timeintensive and many unecessary content is presented on those 
> > sites. We tried to move mailinglists for blind people to webbased 
> > solutions years ago and they are dead now, the people do not longer 
> > use them :-(.
> >
> > This sites are not really accessible in most cases and interacting 
> > with discussions is complicated or takes at least more time then 
> > writing just simple emails. Most people know how to handle a 
> > mailprogram, but using a webbased solution is not always easy for them.
> >
> > That said, I'd really suggest to move this list to a provider that 
> > offers webbased access but also email based communication. If 
> > communication via email is not longer possible, IMHO this forum will 
> > be used by only a hand full users in future and other alternative, 
> > easier to use solutions, will come up.
> >
> > I'll try Discurse ofcourse, but I feel this is the wrong plattform 
> > for us :-(. The people that made this decission did not have 
> > accessiblity and inclusion in mind :-(.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >   Schoepp
> >
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