Re: [orca-list] Accessible Rolling Release Distro
- From: Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1 gmail com>
- To: Didier Spaier <didier slint fr>
- Cc: orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
- Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Rolling Release Distro
- Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 21:12:40 -0700
Hello,
I was looking for a rolling release to hopefully make the process of upgrading less painful, as it can be in Ubuntu and Fedora. This is for an individual I know, who lacks the skills to get out of jams where the system won't boot, there may be errors about the kernel, etc. It seems that Debian may be the answer, with the text installer.
Thank you everyone for your feedback on this topic. Any additional feedback is appreciated.
Hello,
To be able to help you better please answer these two questions:
1) What do you really mean by "rolling release"?
2) Why do you want a rolling release?
Cheers,
Didier
Le 03/09/2020 à 20:52, Nimer Jaber via orca-list a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> All of these command-line installers, Arch, etc, take much more effort to install than a simple gui installer, which is what I'm looking for. In recommending an individual to give Linux a try when they have been used to a platform such as Windows, there is quite a leap forward to installing something like Arch. While I am all on board with cli tools, it is a shame that the graphical user interface side of the various distros seems to be getting much less accessible. I stated that, in trying a number of these, the installers aren't accessible out of the box. The Debian testing installer won't work with Orca, I can't get Fedora rawhide talking, I haven't tried Solus, and as I say, I am really looking for a distro which provides a rolling release, although I have recently seen issues with users trying to install the latest iteration of Ubuntu, so it just seems that the latest installers from many distros simply aren't accessible. There is a pretty recent forum thread discussing
> the inaccessibility of OpenSuse and Yast, so that seems out as well. Really quite a shame, and would be great to get work on this, as it would be great to have GUI alternatives to Windows/Mac which simply work.
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 10:44 PM Janina Sajka <janina rednote net <mailto:janina rednote net>> wrote:
>
> I have also found installing Arch very straight forward, so I'm a bit
> befuddled by what the problem might be. In fact I did an install on a
> mew machine just earlier this summer using an iso image from:
>
> https://talkingarch.info/
>
> Note there's another Arch installer with Speakup here:
>
> https://tarch.org/
>
> The biggest complication I can think of is networking. If you use a
> wired connection, things should proceed smoothly. If you try to use
> wifi, things can get complicated quickly.
>
> Once upon a time, many years ago, I maintained a howto install Fedora
> using Speakup document. That process was far more complicated than the
> process of installing Arch today, imo.
>
> My bottom line on this topic -- If Arch is too hard, stick to one of the
> spins that provides a functioning desktop off the DVD or USB stick.
> Mostly, these support copying the working environment to a fixed disk.
>
> Example: You can get a functioning Debian from grml.org <http://grml.org> rescue
> environment to install to a fixed disk. Of course that doesn't provide
> Orca and a graphical desktop.
>
> Best,
>
> Janina
>
>
> Orca screen reader developers writes:
> > Yes a few years ago when arch uses the setup tool it was easy
> >
> >
> > Skickades från [1]E-post för Windows 10
> >
> >
> > Från: [2]Jason White via orca-list
> > Skickat: den 2 september 2020 02:50
> > Till: [3]nimerjaber1 gmail com <mailto:nimerjaber1 gmail com>; [4]Jeanette C.
> > Kopia: [5]orca-list
> > Ämne: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Rolling Release Distro
> >
> >
> > I don't recall that Arch took much effort to get everything working
> > when I last installed it. I am currently running Arch, and the
> > maintenance is fairly straightforward.
> >
> > I have also used Debian Unstable and Debian Testing in the past. My
> > advice is to be prepared to deal with the occasional update problem,
> > but for the most part, Debian Testing should be reliable - assuming
> > that they're keeping up the quality for which they have a strong
> > reputation.
> >
> > On 9/1/20 6:43 AM, Nimer Jaber via orca-list wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > No arch because it takes lots of fiddling about to get anything
> > working, and I unfortunately don't have the time for that. I am looking
> > for a system that works, but I do want a rolling release.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 12:55 AM Jeanette C. <[6]julien mail upb de <mailto:julien mail upb de>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hey hey Nimer,
> > Sep 1 2020, Nimer Jaber via orca-list has written:
> > ...
> > > I am not interested in Arch,
> > I am not trying to be difficult or to start a fight. Why not Arch?
> > Maybe
> > the answer further helps to narrow down solutions.
> > ...
> > Best wishes,
> > Jeanette
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> > Best,
> > Nimer Jaber
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> > 2. mailto:orca-list gnome org <mailto:orca-list gnome org>
> > 3. mailto:nimerjaber1 gmail com <mailto:nimerjaber1 gmail com>
> > 4. mailto:julien mail upb de <mailto:julien mail upb de>
> > 5. mailto:orca-list gnome org <mailto:orca-list gnome org>
> > 6. mailto:julien mail upb de <mailto:julien mail upb de>
> > 7. http://juliencoder.de/
> > 8. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMS4rfGrTwz8W7jhC1Jnv7g
> > 9. https://www.audiobombs.com/users/jeanette_c
> > 10. https://github.com/jeanette-c
> > 11. http://counter.li.org/
> > 12. http://www.nvda-project.org/
> > 13. mailto:orca-list gnome org <mailto:orca-list gnome org>
> > 14. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > 15. https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > 16. https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > 17. https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka
> https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
>
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
>
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>
>
>
> --
> Best,
>
> Nimer Jaber
>
> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
> please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
> correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
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> criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
> attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
> up to you. Thanks.
>
> Registered Linux User 529141.
> http://counter.li.org/
>
> To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org <http://www.nvda-project.org>
>
> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.
>
> To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.
>
> Thank you, and have a great day!
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--
Best,
Nimer Jaber
The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.
Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit
nvaccess.orgYou can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.
To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.
Thank you, and have a great day!
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