Ok, I have an initial proposal which I just landed in Orca master, namely: If you have enabled the spoken presentation of indentation and justification, Orca will announce the crossing of hard line boundaries. But if you have this setting off, Orca will not speak it. This makes total sense in my head. <smiles> Let's see if it does in everyone else's. And because speaking indentation and justification are disabled by default, most users will just get the new behavior.Anyhoo, please give it a spin and let me know what you think. Thanks again!--joanieOn Tue, 2020-11-03 at 15:58 +0530, Krishnakant Mane via orca-list wrote:
Even I agree with this.
It may sound like a minor delay, but yes it does break the link or flow of work given that hearing is serial in nature unline vision.
On 03/11/20 3:57 pm, Nimer Jaber via orca-list wrote:
I do believe the behavior should be changed, as it does slow navigating down when I have to hear new line at the beginning of a word. Thanks.
On Tue, Nov 3, 2020, 01:31 Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com> wrote:
Hi Rastislav, all.
Presenting hard carriage returns when crossed during word navigation is
a long-standing Orca feature. Maybe one which shouldn't have been
added, but I'm hesitant to change it without additional feedback from
the community.
Note that this only happens when Enter/Return was pressed to force a
newline; it shouldn't happen if the text wrapped automatically.
Anyhoo, what do others think?
Thanks for testing, and the feedback!
--joanie
On Mon, 2020-11-02 at 16:43 +0000, Rastislav Kish via orca-list wrote:
> Hello Joanie,
>
> I have just pulled the master and tested the changes. It works
> really
> great, although I'll probably never understand why does Linux treat
> punctuation as words, but when it already does so, reading it is the
> correct behavior imo.
>
>
> Thanks for this change. There is just one thing I would like to add.
> If
> there are two lines, and the secondone begins with a word, when
> navigating by words, blank line is spoken first on that place when
> crossing from the first line and just after that, the word is
> announced.
>
> Could be possibly something done about this? When I'm reading a text
> by
> words, it slows down the reading, as I either have to listen to the
> whole phrase, or pass it and return from another side to hear the
> word.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Rastislav
>
>
> Dňa 29. 10. 2020 o 17:16 Joanmarie Diggs napísal(a):
> > Hey all.
> >
> > I just landed a change in Orca master which is designed to improve
> > what
> > Orca says when you use native app navigation by word. In other
> > words,
> > when you press Ctrl+Left/Right *and* Orca is not controlling the
> > caret.
> > So that means Gedit/Pluma, Firefox and Chromium in focus mode, etc.
> > The
> > changes should not impact browse mode nor LibreOffice.
> >
> > The problem I was/am trying to address is what happens when you're
> > navigating by word around punctuation and other symbols. In those
> > instances, where the app moves you when you press Ctrl+Left/Right
> > doesn't match what ATK/AT-SPI2 reports for the word at your new
> > location. This mismatch can cause Orca to repeat some parts of the
> > "word" or not speak other parts. Hopefully that's better now in
> > Orca
> > master.
> >
> > Please give it a spin and let me know what you think.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > --joanie
> >
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