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Re: [orca-list] Announcement of newline when navigating by word (was Re: Reworked presentation of native word navigation)

Resending again as GMail is being difficult today. Sorry Milton for
receiving my earlier attempt.

I have a suggestion: could the newline announcement be placed at the
end of the spoken word rather than the beginning as is currently the
case? This would retain the feature while also improving the reading
flow. This would also be consistent with other announcements e.g.
control types.

Regards,

Rynhardt

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 1:37 PM Milton via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:


When I press Enter on the end of a line Orca speaks the last word, in Gedit and Writer, but not in 
Thunderbird.

And when I land with Arrow Down on the new line Orca says 'Empty'. For me it is good to know the line is 
realy empty. If there is a dot or comma on this new line Orca says nothing..

So I like it this way.

Milton


Op 03-11-2020 om 11:28 schreef Krishnakant Mane via orca-list:


Even I agree with this.

It may sound like a minor delay, but yes it does break the link or flow of work given that hearing is 
serial in nature unline vision.

On 03/11/20 3:57 pm, Nimer Jaber via orca-list wrote:

I do believe the behavior should be changed, as it does slow navigating down when I have to hear new line 
at the beginning of a word. Thanks.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020, 01:31 Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com> wrote:


Hi Rastislav, all.

Presenting hard carriage returns when crossed during word navigation is
a long-standing Orca feature. Maybe one which shouldn't have been
added, but I'm hesitant to change it without additional feedback from
the community.

Note that this only happens when Enter/Return was pressed to force a
newline; it shouldn't happen if the text wrapped automatically.

Anyhoo, what do others think?

Thanks for testing, and the feedback!
--joanie

On Mon, 2020-11-02 at 16:43 +0000, Rastislav Kish via orca-list wrote:

Hello Joanie,

I have just pulled the master and tested the changes. It works
really
great, although I'll probably never understand why does Linux treat
punctuation as words, but when it already does so, reading it is the
correct behavior imo.


Thanks for this change. There is just one thing I would like to add.
If
there are two lines, and the secondone begins with a word, when
navigating by words, blank line is spoken first on that place when
crossing from the first line and just after that, the word is
announced.

Could be possibly something done about this? When I'm reading a text
by
words, it slows down the reading, as I either have to listen to the
whole phrase, or pass it and return from another side to hear the
word.


Thanks!


Best regards


Rastislav


Dňa 29. 10. 2020 o 17:16 Joanmarie Diggs napísal(a):

Hey all.

I just landed a change in Orca master which is designed to improve
what
Orca says when you use native app navigation by word. In other
words,
when you press Ctrl+Left/Right *and* Orca is not controlling the
caret.
So that means Gedit/Pluma, Firefox and Chromium in focus mode, etc.
The
changes should not impact browse mode nor LibreOffice.

The problem I was/am trying to address is what happens when you're
navigating by word around punctuation and other symbols. In those
instances, where the app moves you when you press Ctrl+Left/Right
doesn't match what ATK/AT-SPI2 reports for the word at your new
location. This mismatch can cause Orca to repeat some parts of the
"word" or not speak other parts. Hopefully that's better now in
Orca
master.

Please give it a spin and let me know what you think.

Thanks!
--joanie

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GNUKhata
(Opensource Accounting, Billing and Inventory Management Software)

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