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Re: [orca-list] Another Riot issue, this one on Chromium

Hey Nolan.

Thanks for the feedback! Regarding your questions:

1. I believe when we get children-removed events from Firefox the child
   object claims to be invalid already so we don't touch it. I'd have to
   take a closer look, however.

2. Hopefully you'll now hear the text entry when arrowing down from the
   message list in Chrome/Chromium.

3. The separator text (e.g. which marks messages by day) should now be
   presented for Chrome/Chromium. (Before I was just getting the role.)
Also: I'm aware that Orca can get super chatty with incoming messages from Riot in Chrome/Chromium. I'll see if I can minimize that, but it may be https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1075775. In which case it would be nice to stop the spam there.
Are there any other issues for Riot + Chrome/Chromium that need my attention? 

Thanks again!
--joanie

On 5/2/20 09:55, Nolan Darilek wrote:
Excellent! Been using it for 15 minutes or so under Chrome unstable and it works beautifully. No odd jumps, and focus is very snappy. Riot Desktop is still on Electron 7, but hopefully the upcoming bump to 8 will get this working there. If not, at least I know that it will eventually work when 84 lands.
Any chance this might have helped narrow down what's going on with Firefox? It still appears broken. Do we at least have what we need to file a Gecko bug, or would another Firefox debug.out help?
And of course, because we're talking about Riot... :) I don't hear notification of the text entry box when arrowing down from the messages list under Chrome. Still works fine in Firefox, thankfully.
Thanks so much for this work. I'm looking for an accessible chat platform to use at work and on projects, and Matrix/Riot seems to be about the best we've got. A few days ago, I spent 10-15 minutes just trying to get Slack to scroll up before I ragequit and gave up. I appreciate you for taking the time to figure these things out so we have a good, accessible, open alternative. 


On 5/1/20 7:21 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:


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Hey Nolan.
Thanks! Today I believe I got to the bottom of Orca getting suck in Riot in Chromium. Hopefully this is now fixed for you in Orca master. I also committed some changes which should use the children-removed events we get from Chromium to recover when you wander into the Message Actions toolbar.
I still want to find a way to completely prevent one from wandering into that thing via caret navigation. (I believe Orca's triggering the object's appearance on occasion rather than the Riot developers making it popup on our behalf. But I need to do some more debugging on that front, and long week was long.)
Anyhoo, hopefully things are improved on the navigation front with Riot in Chromium. Please let me know. 

--joanie

On 4/30/20 16:28, Nolan Darilek wrote:
Here is a debug.out with latest Orca master under Chromium 84.0.4132.0. Here I press up-arrow again and again and again. ALl I hear is "toolbar". Or maybe "message toolbar," I'm listening to someone else's phone conversation in my other ear and it's messing with my memory. :) In any case, definitely gets stuck for me. 



On 4/30/20 2:24 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
Thanks! So I may or may not be seeing what you're seeing. What I'm seeing is that when I arrow up from the "Send a message..." entry: 

* Firefox let's me read each message line by line from the bottom up.
* Chromium periodically says something about a toolbar and then skips
  the message. Rinse and repeat.
Is that what you're referring to by "stuck"? Or are you finding cases where Orca keeps saying "toolbar" repeatedly each time you arrow, finding nothing else? And/or cases where Orca says "toolbar" and then fails to say anything at all when you arrow?
Since I can reproduce a problem, I'm going to tackle it first. If it's not *the* problem you're reporting, then I need another hint. :) 

--joanie

On 4/30/20 14:09, Nolan Darilek wrote:

Sure, here you go. Thanks.


On 4/30/20 11:52 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

Hey Nolan.
I tried to take a look at your files Sunday or Monday, but the link had already expired. If you still have the files and could email them to me, that would be great. Or re-Firefox Send them and I promise to download them right away. :)
Failing that, what toolbar am I looking for? Does Orca call it something or just say "toolbar"? 

Thanks!
--joanie

On 4/23/20 11:38, Nolan Darilek wrote:

Here I am again with Riot, that bane of Orca's existence. :)
Chromium 84.0.4125.0, Orca master. I'm getting a different focus issue when arrowing through messages on riot.im/develop. When arrowing up or down, focus sometimes lands on a toolbar and gets stuck. When it does, it bounces around unpredictably. The bounces aren't as bad as Firefox, where I'm thrown to the beginning of the messages list which triggers scrolling, which reads new messages and slows down the experience. But I see it in the latest Electron app, as well as in the latest Chrome.
I've linked two debug.out files. debug1.out was created after I restarted Orca and had already arrowed up to and gotten stuck in a message. You can see me arrowing down, and having focus bounce to the beginning of the message, arrowing down again, etc. When I arrow up, focus seems to get unstuck.
debug2.out is me starting on the message entry, arrowing up, then eventually arrowing back down and getting stuck in another message. Sometimes I get stuck when arrowing up, but I made it a decent way this time and only got stuck when switching directions.
Anyhow, let me know if I can provide any additional details. Sorry for being so spammy about Riot. Here are the logs:
https://send.firefox.com/download/c4d4d98031eb352c/#s-FzH-gy5LXXitbFuAEb9A 

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