Re: [orca-list] Another Riot issue, this one on Chromium

[Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info>]

Excellent! Been using it for 15 minutes or so under Chrome unstable and 
it works beautifully. No odd jumps, and focus is very snappy. Riot 
Desktop is still on Electron 7, but hopefully the upcoming bump to 8 
will get this working there. If not, at least I know that it will 
eventually work when 84 lands.


Any chance this might have helped narrow down what's going on with 
Firefox? It still appears broken. Do we at least have what we need to 
file a Gecko bug, or would another Firefox debug.out help?


And of course, because we're talking about Riot... :) I don't hear 
notification of the text entry box when arrowing down from the messages 
list under Chrome. Still works fine in Firefox, thankfully.


Thanks so much for this work. I'm looking for an accessible chat 
platform to use at work and on projects, and Matrix/Riot seems to be 
about the best we've got. A few days ago, I spent 10-15 minutes just 
trying to get Slack to scroll up before I ragequit and gave up. I 
appreciate you for taking the time to figure these things out so we have 
a good, accessible, open alternative.


On 5/1/20 7:21 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

> + Orca list
>
> Hey Nolan.
>
> Thanks! Today I believe I got to the bottom of Orca getting suck in 
> Riot in Chromium. Hopefully this is now fixed for you in Orca master. 
> I also committed some changes which should use the children-removed 
> events we get from Chromium to recover when you wander into the 
> Message Actions toolbar.
>
> I still want to find a way to completely prevent one from wandering 
> into that thing via caret navigation. (I believe Orca's triggering the 
> object's appearance on occasion rather than the Riot developers making 
> it popup on our behalf. But I need to do some more debugging on that 
> front, and long week was long.)
>
> Anyhoo, hopefully things are improved on the navigation front with 
> Riot in Chromium. Please let me know.
>
> --joanie
>
> On 4/30/20 16:28, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > Here is a debug.out with latest Orca master under Chromium 
> > 84.0.4132.0. Here I press up-arrow again and again and again. ALl I 
> > hear is "toolbar". Or maybe "message toolbar," I'm listening to 
> > someone else's phone conversation in my other ear and it's messing 
> > with my memory. :) In any case, definitely gets stuck for me.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/30/20 2:24 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > Thanks! So I may or may not be seeing what you're seeing. What I'm 
> > > seeing is that when I arrow up from the "Send a message..." entry:
> > >
> > > * Firefox let's me read each message line by line from the bottom up.
> > > * Chromium periodically says something about a toolbar and then skips
> > >   the message. Rinse and repeat.
> > >
> > > Is that what you're referring to by "stuck"? Or are you finding 
> > > cases where Orca keeps saying "toolbar" repeatedly each time you 
> > > arrow, finding nothing else? And/or cases where Orca says "toolbar" 
> > > and then fails to say anything at all when you arrow?
> > >
> > > Since I can reproduce a problem, I'm going to tackle it first. If 
> > > it's not *the* problem you're reporting, then I need another hint. :)
> > >
> > > --joanie
> > >
> > > On 4/30/20 14:09, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > > > Sure, here you go. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/30/20 11:52 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > > Hey Nolan.
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried to take a look at your files Sunday or Monday, but the 
> > > > > link had already expired. If you still have the files and could 
> > > > > email them to me, that would be great. Or re-Firefox Send them and 
> > > > > I promise to download them right away. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Failing that, what toolbar am I looking for? Does Orca call it 
> > > > > something or just say "toolbar"?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > --joanie
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/23/20 11:38, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > > > > > Here I am again with Riot, that bane of Orca's existence. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chromium 84.0.4125.0, Orca master. I'm getting a different focus 
> > > > > > issue when arrowing through messages on riot.im/develop. When 
> > > > > > arrowing up or down, focus sometimes lands on a toolbar and gets 
> > > > > > stuck. When it does, it bounces around unpredictably. The bounces 
> > > > > > aren't as bad as Firefox, where I'm thrown to the beginning of 
> > > > > > the messages list which triggers scrolling, which reads new 
> > > > > > messages and slows down the experience. But I see it in the 
> > > > > > latest Electron app, as well as in the latest Chrome.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've linked two debug.out files. debug1.out was created after I 
> > > > > > restarted Orca and had already arrowed up to and gotten stuck in 
> > > > > > a message. You can see me arrowing down, and having focus bounce 
> > > > > > to the beginning of the message, arrowing down again, etc. When I 
> > > > > > arrow up, focus seems to get unstuck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > debug2.out is me starting on the message entry, arrowing up, then 
> > > > > > eventually arrowing back down and getting stuck in another 
> > > > > > message. Sometimes I get stuck when arrowing up, but I made it a 
> > > > > > decent way this time and only got stuck when switching directions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyhow, let me know if I can provide any additional details. 
> > > > > > Sorry for being so spammy about Riot. Here are the logs:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://send.firefox.com/download/c4d4d98031eb352c/#s-FzH-gy5LXXitbFuAEb9A 
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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