Re: [orca-list] List item counts sometimes spoken when list item preference is turned off

[Mewtamer <mewtamer gmail com>]

Also, I kind of like the idea of a verbosity tab... though, in the
vane of streamlining preferences and not overwhelming new users,
perhaps stick to a combo box with a few presets and a custom option
and the verbosity tab is hidden/grayed out unless custom is selected
or include the option to load the verbosity tab with one of the
presets.

On 2/18/20, Mewtamer <mewtamer gmail com> wrote:
> I don't use Thunderbird and I don't even know what Blueberry is, and
> I'm running Orca 1.34.2-1 from Debian Testing/Unstable instead of
> anything from Git, so my data point might already be invalidated by a
> fix that hasn't reached me yet, but I've encountered a similar issue
> in Firefox-ESR 68.5.0 that's persisted for the last several updates of
> both Firefox and Orca. Admittedly, depending on how closely Firefox
> and Thunderbird's code bases are intermingled, it might be the same
> bug that was causing the problem with Thunderbird, but here are the
> details.
>
> On the privacy and security page of Firefox's preferences, when I
> activate the manage data button to clean out all the useless cookies
> websites like to set just for visiting, Orca gives an item count for
> the list of domains that have set cookies, but as I remove the junk,
> the count almost never goes down and I have to save changes and open
> the manage data dialog again if I want to know how many cookies I
> chose to keep.
>
> Never really bothered me, but if it can help resolve an issue others
> are having, I'm happy to provide the data point.
>
> On 2/18/20, Kyle via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:
> > Joanmarie Diggs aliandika:
> > > So... The first thing is that the checkboxes for what to present
> > > during navigation are meant for document content; not GUIs. Granted,
> > > that's not especially obvious from the checkbox name. And what it's
> > > meant to do is prevent complete announcement of the item itself. In
> > > other words, it's not "don't say the list count"; it's "don't mention
> > > the list at all." So if we want the role (e.g. list or listbox) but
> > > not the count, that would be a different preference I think.
> > >
> > > One option is to add yet another new preference (not my personal
> > > choice because we already have a ton of preferences). Another is to
> > > not present the number of children when the verbosity level is set to
> > > brief. I just committed the latter to master. I hope that it addresses
> > > your concerns.
> > Perfect. Thanks for clearing that up. It's working exactly as I expected
> > now. I set my verbosity to brief as soon as I can whenever setting up
> > any system or user account for the first time for myself, and leave it
> > at verbose by default on new systems I install for others. So this
> > behavior works out perfectly, as all these little things are controlled
> > with a single preference instead of having to tturn everything off
> > individually or leave it all on. The only thing that may work better is
> > a verbosity tab that would have all the checkboxes for document
> > presentation, child position, number of children, etc, just to
> > consolidate some of the document presentation stuff and other
> > preferences related to speaking of various elements and counts in one
> > single place. But the current behavior works great, at least for me.
> >
> >
> > > Lastly, if memory serves me, the Thunderbird three item count was a
> > > Thunderbird bug. I cannot reproduce it in Thunderbird Daily. And for
> > > Blueberry, Orca reports the correct item count for me so I'm not sure
> > > what's going on with your system.
> > Thanks for taking a look at that stuff. That explains the Thunderbird
> > issue, as I run the version that is in the ArchLinuxARM repository.
> > Although this was just updated yesterday, it is still version 68.5, so
> > it may not have that bug fixed. Regarding blueberry, I can't figure what
> > may be going on either, as I usually see less devices in the list than
> > the number that is reported. Currently, I see 10 items in the list, and
> > Orca is reporting 10 items. However, I usually have the same 10 items,
> > but Orca most of the time reports anywhere between 11 and 14 items. The
> > reported number of items sometimes increases each time I open blueberry,
> > though this doesn't always occur. In any case, I almost always see the
> > same number of items in the list, regardless of what is reported by
> > Orca. So I really can't figure what is happening, unless phantom devices
> > are appearing in the list, but are maybe greyed out or similar, and for
> > whatever reason, I can't see those devices, though Orca reports them as
> > list items. Thanks again for trying to help me sort this out.
> >
> > ~Kyle
> >
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