Re: [orca-list] Tips and tricks for Orca and Firefox

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Hi Rastislav.

By default, automatic focus mode is disabled for both caret navigation
and structural navigation. That can be changed in the app-specific
preferences dialog. So are you also asking for it to be disabled when
you do things like Tab? Or are you saying that Orca is switching into
focus mode during caret navigation and/or structural navigation even
though you have those settings disabled?

--joanie

On Sat, 2020-08-15 at 00:42 +0200, Rastislav Kish via orca-list wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Orca shortcuts work quite reliably, infact, I don't remember seeing
> one 
> to fail.
>
> The problem is, that Orca doesn't allow, or at least i didn't find a 
> way, how to turn off the automatic focus mode. I was always turning
> it 
> off on Windows where possible, and this feature would be great on
> Linux 
> as well, because the two modes are too different from each other to
> be 
> switched by automated mechanism.
>
> The fact, that this is actually happening then leads to exactly
> those 
> situations, that navigation keys seemingly don't work, but in
> reality, 
> one is just stuck in focus mode.
>
>
> But otherwise, reactions are very good, just today I switched for a 
> while to Windows to set up some things there and perform some
> research 
> tasks, and I was truly amazed, how slow is FF on Win.
>
>
> Youtube in my case works without any problems, the video can be 
> controlled with j, k and l keys, of course after pressing
> orca+backspace.
>
> I usually approach the controls either from the top by pressing b
> about 
> 10 times, or by firstly targeting the search edit field and then 
> pressing b about 5 times. The same approach as on Win.
>
>
> And besides already mentioned tricks, I will add, that you can read 
> answers to comments by tabbing through names instead of moving by 
> pressing down arrow.
>
> i.e. you hit show x answers under a comment, and then tab until you
> find 
> an author's name, pres down arrow to read the answer, tab again to
> get 
> to another author's name, again read the answer with down arrow, etc.
>
>
> This way, you can read the answers quite confortably, Orca normally 
> skips this region for some reason.
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Rastislav
>
>
> Dňa 14. 8. 2020 o 22:56 Jeanette C. via orca-list napísal(a):
> > Hey hey,
> > thank you for your detailed reply. As regards the specifics to 
> > youtube, this is very helpful and might improve the operation
> > greatly. 
> > I did see (almost) all the keyboard commands, but found that
> > sometimes 
> > they didn't work, even though I knew that there had to be buttons,
> > b 
> > wouldn't do anything. I can't yet say how to reproduce this 
> > (mis)behaviour though.
> >
> > Regarding hotkeys/keyboard controls defined by a website: how well
> > do 
> > these work with Orca? I'm sure they won't work in Browse mmode. How
> > do 
> > you deal with that? Just switch modes whenever you need a web
> > shortcut?
> >
> > Would you have a tip for getting a good overview of the whole
> > Firefox 
> > application, i.e. a structural representation of elements within
> > the 
> > program (tabs, toolbars, attached windows, etc..)?
> >
> > Best wishes and thanks for the tips,
> >
> > Jeanette
> >
> > Aug 14 2020, Mewtamer has written:
> >
> > > Personally, YouTube isn't the most screen reader friendly website
> > > out
> > > there. Lots of extraneous buttons that make getting to the
> > > controls of
> > > the active video harder than it should be, comments are a mess
> > > with
> > > lots of hidden text and lots of controls that are hard to skip
> > > for
> > > seamless reading, there's a trick to even locating the comments
> > > section of a video page... and at least on my system, even with
> > > YouTube videos at 100%, I have to bump up my system volume to the
> > > point Orca is screaming my ears to hear most videos.
> > >
> > > That said, some tips for making the most of YouTube's not very
> > > accessible interface:
> > >
> > > On a video page, the title is a level 1 heading, cthe comments
> > > start
> > > with a level 2 heading, and the links to suggested videos are
> > > level 3
> > > headings. When Orca is in browse mode, pressing the h key will
> > > jump to
> > > the next heading indiscriminately, and using the number row 1-6
> > > will
> > > jump to headings at specific levels. Like with other Orca
> > > navigational
> > > hotkeys, you can use shift+ the hotkey to jump backwards and
> > > alt+shift+hotkey to bring up a list of elements of the given
> > > type.
> > >
> > > The video controls on a YouTube video page are right above the
> > > Level 1
> > > heading with the Video's title and the controls for favoriting,
> > > adding
> > > to personal playlists, and information on the video are below
> > > this
> > > heading. If you press b on the keyboard when you first load a
> > > video
> > > page, sometimes this will put focus on the play button, but
> > > sometimes
> > > there will be several buttons from YouTube's top navigation to
> > > cycle
> > > through first. From the play button, shitf+tab will bring you to
> > > the
> > > progress slider and then the skip add button when available and
> > > tabbing will bring you to the next button and then the volume
> > > slider.
> > > There are other controls, but these are the ones I use most.
> > >
> > > In addition to H for headings, 1-6 on the number row for specific
> > > level headings, and b for buttons, some other navigational
> > > hotkeys I
> > > find useful include:
> > >
> > > A for JavaScript clickables(alt+shift+a to bring up the list of
> > > all
> > > such elements is particularly useful here since these often don't
> > > respond to keyboard input and selecting one from the list and
> > > tabbing
> > > a few times to the activate button is often the easiest way to
> > > activate these controls)
> > > C for comboboxes
> > > e for text entry(note that you'll need to use Orca+a to switch to
> > > focus mode if you actually want to type in one)
> > > g for graphics
> > > i for list items
> > > l for lists
> > > q for block quotes
> > > r for radio buttons
> > > s for separators
> > > t for tables
> > > x for check boxes.
> > >
> > > I think k, u, and v also jump to links, unvisited links, and
> > > visited
> > > links respectively, but I've never found them that useful.
> > >
> > > Naturally, which, if any of the above navigational hotkeys are
> > > useful
> > > varies greatly from site to site, though I find using h to cycle
> > > through the headings is often a good first step when orienting
> > > myself
> > > to an unfamiliar website.
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