Re: [orca-list] Orca, FF and Youtube

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Good idea. Since we're in string freeze it will have to wait until after 
branching. But will add it to my todo list.

On 9/6/19 7:05 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> Ah, neat. That isn't super clear. Could that be updated to fail when not 
> executed in the context of a live region, maybe with something like:
>
>
> Cursor not in live region.
>
>
> That, to me, would make it more clear that this command overrides the 
> presentation of a specific region. As of now, it seems like it might 
> override all regions on a page, or maybe not present regions below/above 
> a threshold. If the command only works in a live region, then the 
> message seems a bit clearer to me, as it indicates setting the specific 
> live region to the chosen value.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On 9/6/19 11:30 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > The plain \ command in theory is to allow you to override the author's 
> > politeness level. For instance, if the author thinks a particular live 
> > region is so important it should be assertively presented, and you 
> > think it's garbage, you can navigate to that live region and set just 
> > that one off. Or you can reduce it to polite.
> >
> > On 9/6/19 6:21 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > > So what is the plain \ command for, then? Still confused about that one.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/6/19 11:20 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > Sorry for the back-to-back messages. Was an easier fix than I 
> > > > anticipated. Please try modifying your original steps to reproduce 
> > > > as follows:
> > > >
> > > > 2. Go to youtube.com
> > > > 2a. Set all live regions to off with Shift+Backslash
> > > > 2b. load up any video
> > > >
> > > > I'm no longer hearing the chattiness from live regions.
> > > >
> > > > --joanie
> > > >
> > > > On 9/6/19 6:13 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > > It looks like Orca is not always respecting the live-regions-off 
> > > > > setting. Will investigate. Stay tuned.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/6/19 4:38 PM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:
> > > > > > Nope you and I are on about the same issue Joany, is there 
> > > > > > anything I can do from Orca's side of things to stop it happening 
> > > > > > though. Well, aside from using other methods of Youtube watching 
> > > > > > that is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >      Nolan, I left the live regions at the default when installing 
> > > > > > Ubuntu Mate, I don't recall what it is off the top of my head, and 
> > > > > > to test this I spun up a VM and tried the different live region 
> > > > > > settings.  From my brief few minutes of horribly unscientific 
> > > > > > testing.....the live region setting doesn't seem (at least here) 
> > > > > > to do anything.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 06/09/2019 14:22, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > > > > Hey Jace.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not seeing the sidebar spoken, but Orca is reading parts of 
> > > > > > > the page to me. In my case it's because Orca believes they are 
> > > > > > > live region messages. This leads me to a follow-up question. You 
> > > > > > > said:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For comparison, I set NVDA up on a
> > > > > > > > different computer the exact same way re: reading pages 
> > > > > > > automatically.
> > > > > > > > It does the same thing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you mean that NVDA is showing the same behavior as Orca? In 
> > > > > > > other words, in both cases you are telling the screen reader to 
> > > > > > > not speak this stuff and in both cases the screen reader (NVDA 
> > > > > > > and Orca) are each speaking the unwanted stuff? If that's the 
> > > > > > > case, then I guess it's probably a change in YouTube. If that's 
> > > > > > > not the case and you mean something else, please clarify.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --joanie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 9/6/19 1:39 PM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hey list, ran across this the other day and wanted to know if 
> > > > > > > > it's just me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Running the latest orca-master, latest Firefox.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If I go to Youtube and launch a video, it speaks the page even 
> > > > > > > > when I have that option turned off. For comparison, I set NVDA 
> > > > > > > > up on a different computer the exact same way re: reading pages 
> > > > > > > > automatically. It does the same thing. Is it an Orca/atspi 
> > > > > > > > issue, or did Youtube change something on their end?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > TO reproduce:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. Open Firefox, and then Orca prefs. Turn off the present 
> > > > > > > > summary of a page... and automatically start speaking... options.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2. Go to youtube.com and load up any video
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3. You should hear the contents of the page (in my case the 
> > > > > > > > sidebar) being read out automatically
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sienote: I've had issues with hitting control to silence Orca, 
> > > > > > > > sometimes, and it *might* just be a Firefox issue, Youtube's 
> > > > > > > > page starts speaking after I've pressed a key to silence it, for 
> > > > > > > > example test video level three *press shift or control* test 
> > > > > > > > video 2 level 3. I have to press control multiple times to 
> > > > > > > > silence Youtube.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anyone else run into this or is it just me?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jace
> > > > > > > >
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