Re: [orca-list] Orca, FF and Youtube

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

The plain \ command in theory is to allow you to override the author's 
politeness level. For instance, if the author thinks a particular live 
region is so important it should be assertively presented, and you think 
it's garbage, you can navigate to that live region and set just that one 
off. Or you can reduce it to polite.

On 9/6/19 6:21 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> So what is the plain \ command for, then? Still confused about that one.
>
>
> On 9/6/19 11:20 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > Sorry for the back-to-back messages. Was an easier fix than I 
> > anticipated. Please try modifying your original steps to reproduce as 
> > follows:
> >
> > 2. Go to youtube.com
> > 2a. Set all live regions to off with Shift+Backslash
> > 2b. load up any video
> >
> > I'm no longer hearing the chattiness from live regions.
> >
> > --joanie
> >
> > On 9/6/19 6:13 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > It looks like Orca is not always respecting the live-regions-off 
> > > setting. Will investigate. Stay tuned.
> > >
> > > On 9/6/19 4:38 PM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:
> > > > Nope you and I are on about the same issue Joany, is there anything 
> > > > I can do from Orca's side of things to stop it happening though. 
> > > > Well, aside from using other methods of Youtube watching that is.
> > > >
> > > >      Nolan, I left the live regions at the default when installing 
> > > > Ubuntu Mate, I don't recall what it is off the top of my head, and 
> > > > to test this I spun up a VM and tried the different live region 
> > > > settings.  From my brief few minutes of horribly unscientific 
> > > > testing.....the live region setting doesn't seem (at least here) to 
> > > > do anything.
> > > >
> > > > On 06/09/2019 14:22, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > > Hey Jace.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not seeing the sidebar spoken, but Orca is reading parts of the 
> > > > > page to me. In my case it's because Orca believes they are live 
> > > > > region messages. This leads me to a follow-up question. You said:
> > > > >
> > > > > > For comparison, I set NVDA up on a
> > > > > > different computer the exact same way re: reading pages 
> > > > > automatically.
> > > > > > It does the same thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you mean that NVDA is showing the same behavior as Orca? In 
> > > > > other words, in both cases you are telling the screen reader to not 
> > > > > speak this stuff and in both cases the screen reader (NVDA and 
> > > > > Orca) are each speaking the unwanted stuff? If that's the case, 
> > > > > then I guess it's probably a change in YouTube. If that's not the 
> > > > > case and you mean something else, please clarify.
> > > > >
> > > > > --joanie
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/6/19 1:39 PM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:
> > > > > > Hey list, ran across this the other day and wanted to know if it's 
> > > > > > just me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Running the latest orca-master, latest Firefox.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I go to Youtube and launch a video, it speaks the page even 
> > > > > > when I have that option turned off. For comparison, I set NVDA up 
> > > > > > on a different computer the exact same way re: reading pages 
> > > > > > automatically. It does the same thing. Is it an Orca/atspi issue, 
> > > > > > or did Youtube change something on their end?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TO reproduce:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Open Firefox, and then Orca prefs. Turn off the present summary 
> > > > > > of a page... and automatically start speaking... options.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Go to youtube.com and load up any video
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. You should hear the contents of the page (in my case the 
> > > > > > sidebar) being read out automatically
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sienote: I've had issues with hitting control to silence Orca, 
> > > > > > sometimes, and it *might* just be a Firefox issue, Youtube's page 
> > > > > > starts speaking after I've pressed a key to silence it, for 
> > > > > > example test video level three *press shift or control* test video 
> > > > > > 2 level 3. I have to press control multiple times to silence Youtube.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone else run into this or is it just me?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jace
> > > > > >
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