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Re: [orca-list] Using Emacs under Orca

Ok, I mostly have this working -- thanks.

On Sun, 03 Mar 2019 23:33:11 -0500,
Devin Prater wrote:


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Emacspeak on Mac does use the Mac's Tts. Just make config, make emacspeak, and put
(load-file "tilde /emacspeak/lisp/emacspeak-setup.el")
in your .emacs.el file, replacing tilde with the actual character. Sorry, I don't know the UEB symbol for 
it, I'm using Braille Screen Input on the iPhone for this message.

Any maintenance of the Mac or eSpeak server is very welcome, though. 

Get Outlook for iOS
 
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From: orca-list <orca-list-bounces gnome org> on behalf of Les Smithson via orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 9:49 AM
To: covici ccs covici com
Cc: Orca
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Using Emacs under Orca 
 

I'm quite sure emacspeak works on a Mac. At least there seem to be 
plenty of Mac users on the emacspeak mailing list. 

John Covici writes: > The 
problem is that emacspeak never had this functionality, otherwise > I 
would use that, what I was hoping for and maybe I will see if I can > 
modify to use the speech server the mac has -- that would be cool. 


On Sun, 03 Mar 2019 10:03:18 -0500, 
Peter Vágner wrote: 


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Hello, 

It requires either speech-dispatcher or espeak. 
Espeak can definatelly be used on the mac, speech-dispatcher I am not sure can run on mac. 
So if you are fine using that reader with espeak, you can very likelly make it work. 
I assume emacspeak also has say all functionality but I'm not using it so I don't know the details. 

Greetings 

Peter 

Dňa March 3, 2019 10:12:41 AM UTC používateľ John Covici <covici ccs covici com> napísal: 

Sounds interesting. I wonder if I could it with emacspeak as well, or 
even use it with emacspeak on the mac, like the program written by 
spivey for the mac terminal? If this is off topic you can write me 
privately. 

On Sun, 03 Mar 2019 01:49:59 -0500, 
Peter Vágner wrote: 

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Hello, 

Speechd-el can read the entire buffer however it does not sync caret with the reading position. 
So there is really no way to pause, do something else and then continue from where you have paused. 

As a workaround there is this text reader for emacs https://github.com/michelangelo-rodriguez/greader 

Greetings 

Peter 

Dňa March 2, 2019 2:44:47 AM UTC používateľ John Covici <covici ccs covici com> napísal: 

Will speech-el allow to read a long text buffer and stop reading and 
have the cursor be at the place where you stopped -- emacspeak does 
not allow this and so I have been using speakup for this, but it would 
be nice if I could use emacs under a gui environment with orca and 
even the mac and have this work properly. 

On Fri, 01 Mar 2019 19:49:05 -0500, 
Will Estes via orca-list wrote: 

I've not done a lot in lisp -- excluding my init file(s) -- but what I've done has been fine. It's 
generally easy to tell what is going on and emacs has a lot of enabling of lisp features as one might 
expect. 

On Friday, 1 March 2019, 6:44 pm -0600, Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info> wrote: 

Thanks, this is really great info. 

Does Speechd-el read Lisp well? I remember that being something Emacspeak 
seemed to do well (I.e. it'd speak things like "2 right parens" when reading 
Lisp where many screen readers might speak only one paren.) I think one 
thing that has kept me off Lisp for a while is that it's one of the less 
accessible languages IMO, and I wondered if I'd like it if it were more 
approachable. 

On 3/1/19 6:39 PM, Will Estes wrote: 

You'll want to use emacs without orca. I use speechd-el because speechd-el takes the approach of 
letting emacs be emacs whereas emacspeak takes the approach of trying to make emacs do specific things. 
The difference is 
that with speechd-el, when you want to use a new feature of emacs (or one of its associated packages), 
things generally just work. Emacspeak supports a number of things and has its own specific ways of 
doing and enabling 
things. That's great when it has what you want but not so much when you go outside of that. 

These days, there's no reason to look at xemacs. 

On Friday, 1 March 2019, 6:29 pm -0600, Christopher Chaltain via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote: 

I'm not sure I understand this statement. XEmacs is an alternative to Emacs, 
but I'm not sure what use case you're referring to where XEmacs would be the 
answer and not Emacs. 

BTW, I use Emacs on the desktop with Emacspeak and not Orca. Of course you 
could also run it in a terminal or console with Emacspeak. I haven't used 
Speechd-el, so I can't compare the two. I used to use Emacs with Emacspeak 
for code development, but it's been a while. 

On 3/1/19 1:52 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: 

xemacs is available as an alternative to emacs for use cases similar to 
yours if my information is correct. 

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019, Nolan Darilek wrote: 

Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 09:40:43 
From: Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info> 
To: Orca <orca-list gnome org> 
Subject: [orca-list] Using Emacs under Orca 

I've been using VSCode under Windows and am getting a bit spoiled by it. Until 
we have Electron app support under Linux, I'm considering trying to try 
getting Emacs working as similarly as I can (I.e. language server interfaces, 
code completion, etc.) 

Does anyone have tips for making it work under Orca? Should I just run it in a 
terminal or is there a GUI interface, or should I turn off Orca and use 
Emacspeak/Speechd-el? 

If the latter, which should I use? How do Emacspeak and Speechd-el compare? 

And is anyone currently doing this and finding it useful? I'm currently just 
using Gedit for code, but I like the integrated warnings/code completions that 
language servers provide, and I don't know that Gedit supports this at all. 

Thanks. 


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