Re: [orca-list] Using Emacs under Orca

[John Covici <covici ccs covici com>]

Will speech-el allow to read a long text buffer and stop reading and
have the cursor be at the place where you stopped -- emacspeak does
not allow this and so I have been using speakup for this, but it would
be nice if I could use emacs under a gui environment with orca and
even the mac and have this work properly.

On Fri, 01 Mar 2019 19:49:05 -0500,
Will Estes via orca-list wrote:
> I've not done a lot in lisp -- excluding my init file(s) -- but what I've done has been fine. It's 
> generally easy to tell what is going on and emacs has a lot of enabling of lisp features as one might 
> expect.
>
> On Friday,  1 March 2019,  6:44 pm -0600, Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, this is really great info.
> >
> >
> > Does Speechd-el read Lisp well? I remember that being something Emacspeak
> > seemed to do well (I.e. it'd speak things like "2 right parens" when reading
> > Lisp where many screen readers might speak only one paren.) I think one
> > thing that has kept me off Lisp for a while is that it's one of the less
> > accessible languages IMO, and I wondered if I'd like it if it were more
> > approachable.
> >
> >
> > On 3/1/19 6:39 PM, Will Estes wrote:
> > > You'll want to use emacs without orca. I use speechd-el because speechd-el takes the approach of 
> > > letting emacs be emacs whereas emacspeak takes the approach of trying to make emacs do specific things. 
> > > The difference is that with speechd-el, when you want to use a new feature of emacs (or one of its 
> > > associated packages), things generally just work. Emacspeak supports a number of things and has its own 
> > > specific ways of doing and enabling things. That's great when it has what you want but not so much when 
> > > you go outside of that.
> > >
> > > These days, there's no reason to look at xemacs.
> > >
> > > On Friday,  1 March 2019,  6:29 pm -0600, Christopher Chaltain via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm not sure I understand this statement. XEmacs is an alternative to Emacs,
> > > > but I'm not sure what use case you're referring to where XEmacs would be the
> > > > answer and not Emacs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BTW, I use Emacs on the desktop with Emacspeak and not Orca. Of course you
> > > > could also run it in a terminal or console with Emacspeak. I haven't used
> > > > Speechd-el, so I can't compare the two. I used to use Emacs with Emacspeak
> > > > for code development, but it's been a while.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 3/1/19 1:52 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > > > xemacs is available as an alternative to emacs for use cases similar to
> > > > > yours if my information is correct.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2019, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 09:40:43
> > > > > > From: Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info>
> > > > > > To: Orca <orca-list gnome org>
> > > > > > Subject: [orca-list] Using Emacs under Orca
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been using VSCode under Windows and am getting a bit spoiled by it. Until
> > > > > > we have Electron app support under Linux, I'm considering trying to try
> > > > > > getting Emacs working as similarly as I can (I.e. language server interfaces,
> > > > > > code completion, etc.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone have tips for making it work under Orca? Should I just run it in a
> > > > > > terminal or is there a GUI interface, or should I turn off Orca and use
> > > > > > Emacspeak/Speechd-el?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the latter, which should I use? How do Emacspeak and Speechd-el compare?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And is anyone currently doing this and finding it useful? I'm currently just
> > > > > > using Gedit for code, but I like the integrated warnings/code completions that
> > > > > > language servers provide, and I don't know that Gedit supports this at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > >
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> > > > Christopher (CJ)
> > > > Chaltain at Gmail
> > > >
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> -- 
> Will Estes
> westes575 gmail com
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