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Re: [orca-list] Using Emacs under Orca

Thanks, all. Got Speechd-el running and have Emacs in a GUI window. This seems like a promising start.
One thing I immediately miss is notification of indentation. Is there any way to enable this? I've looked through the docs but don't immediately see anything.
There's a lot to learn and I'm happy to dig in, but not knowing how a line is indented will likely block me from trying to seriously use this to make myself learn it. So hopefully there's a quick fix. I know Emacspeak provides this functionality, but what about Speechd-el? 


Thanks again.


On 3/2/19 9:07 AM, Will Estes via orca-list wrote:

Yes, speechd-el works inside emacs and provides much more contextual and rich  information about what is 
going on in ways that no screen reader can.

On Saturday,  2 March 2019,  8:43 am -0600, Christopher Chaltain via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:


I can see the desire to use Orca with Emacs, but the nice thing about
Emacspeak, and I presume Speechd-el, is that they're working inside the
editor itself, so you get speech that's much more targeted and doesn't have
to rely on the external screen reader figuring out what does and doesn't
need to be spoken. Of course, this means learning a new screen reader, but
there's so much to learn in Emacs anyway, I don't find this to be a big
deal. This is all my own opinion.


On 3/2/19 4:46 AM, chrys wrote:

Howdy,


   but it would
be nice if I could use emacs under a gui environment with orca and
even the mac and have this work properly.

not sure if that is what you want, but fenrir can run in an GUI terminal
as well. so this one could speak emacs for you there. But its not orca.

cheers chrys
Am 02.03.19 um 03:44 schrieb John Covici:

Will speech-el allow to read a long text buffer and stop reading and
have the cursor be at the place where you stopped -- emacspeak does
not allow this and so I have been using speakup for this, but it would
be nice if I could use emacs under a gui environment with orca and
even the mac and have this work properly.

On Fri, 01 Mar 2019 19:49:05 -0500,
Will Estes via orca-list wrote:

I've not done a lot in lisp -- excluding my init file(s) -- but
what I've done has been fine. It's generally easy to tell what
is going on and emacs has a lot of enabling of lisp features as
one might expect.

On Friday,  1 March 2019,  6:44 pm -0600, Nolan Darilek
<nolan thewordnerd info> wrote:


Thanks, this is really great info.


Does Speechd-el read Lisp well? I remember that being
something Emacspeak
seemed to do well (I.e. it'd speak things like "2 right
parens" when reading
Lisp where many screen readers might speak only one paren.)
I think one
thing that has kept me off Lisp for a while is that it's one
of the less
accessible languages IMO, and I wondered if I'd like it if
it were more
approachable.


On 3/1/19 6:39 PM, Will Estes wrote:

You'll want to use emacs without orca. I use speechd-el
because speechd-el takes the approach of letting emacs
be emacs whereas emacspeak takes the approach of trying
to make emacs do specific things. The difference is that
with speechd-el, when you want to use a new feature of
emacs (or one of its associated packages), things
generally just work. Emacspeak supports a number of
things and has its own specific ways of doing and
enabling things. That's great when it has what you want
but not so much when you go outside of that.

These days, there's no reason to look at xemacs.

On Friday,  1 March 2019,  6:29 pm -0600, Christopher
Chaltain via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:


I'm not sure I understand this statement. XEmacs is
an alternative to Emacs,
but I'm not sure what use case you're referring to
where XEmacs would be the
answer and not Emacs.


BTW, I use Emacs on the desktop with Emacspeak and
not Orca. Of course you
could also run it in a terminal or console with
Emacspeak. I haven't used
Speechd-el, so I can't compare the two. I used to
use Emacs with Emacspeak
for code development, but it's been a while.


On 3/1/19 1:52 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

xemacs is available as an alternative to emacs
for use cases similar to
yours if my information is correct.

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019, Nolan Darilek wrote:


Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 09:40:43
From: Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info>
To: Orca <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: [orca-list] Using Emacs under Orca

I've been using VSCode under Windows and am
getting a bit spoiled by it. Until
we have Electron app support under Linux,
I'm considering trying to try
getting Emacs working as similarly as I can
(I.e. language server interfaces,
code completion, etc.)


Does anyone have tips for making it work
under Orca? Should I just run it in a
terminal or is there a GUI interface, or
should I turn off Orca and use
Emacspeak/Speechd-el?


If the latter, which should I use? How do
Emacspeak and Speechd-el compare?


And is anyone currently doing this and
finding it useful? I'm currently just
using Gedit for code, but I like the
integrated warnings/code completions that
language servers provide, and I don't know
that Gedit supports this at all.


Thanks.

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