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Re: [orca-list] Using Emacs under Orca

I can see the desire to use Orca with Emacs, but the nice thing about Emacspeak, and I presume Speechd-el, is that they're working inside the editor itself, so you get speech that's much more targeted and doesn't have to rely on the external screen reader figuring out what does and doesn't need to be spoken. Of course, this means learning a new screen reader, but there's so much to learn in Emacs anyway, I don't find this to be a big deal. This is all my own opinion. 


On 3/2/19 4:46 AM, chrys wrote:

Howdy,


  but it would
be nice if I could use emacs under a gui environment with orca and
even the mac and have this work properly.
not sure if that is what you want, but fenrir can run in an GUI terminal as well. so this one could speak emacs for you there. But its not orca. 

cheers chrys
Am 02.03.19 um 03:44 schrieb John Covici:

Will speech-el allow to read a long text buffer and stop reading and
have the cursor be at the place where you stopped -- emacspeak does
not allow this and so I have been using speakup for this, but it would
be nice if I could use emacs under a gui environment with orca and
even the mac and have this work properly.

On Fri, 01 Mar 2019 19:49:05 -0500,
Will Estes via orca-list wrote:
I've not done a lot in lisp -- excluding my init file(s) -- but what I've done has been fine. It's generally easy to tell what is going on and emacs has a lot of enabling of lisp features as one might expect.
On Friday,  1 March 2019,  6:44 pm -0600, Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info> wrote: 


Thanks, this is really great info.
Does Speechd-el read Lisp well? I remember that being something Emacspeak seemed to do well (I.e. it'd speak things like "2 right parens" when reading Lisp where many screen readers might speak only one paren.) I think one thing that has kept me off Lisp for a while is that it's one of the less accessible languages IMO, and I wondered if I'd like it if it were more 
approachable.


On 3/1/19 6:39 PM, Will Estes wrote:
You'll want to use emacs without orca. I use speechd-el because speechd-el takes the approach of letting emacs be emacs whereas emacspeak takes the approach of trying to make emacs do specific things. The difference is that with speechd-el, when you want to use a new feature of emacs (or one of its associated packages), things generally just work. Emacspeak supports a number of things and has its own specific ways of doing and enabling things. That's great when it has what you want but not so much when you go outside of that. 

These days, there's no reason to look at xemacs.
On Friday,  1 March 2019,  6:29 pm -0600, Christopher Chaltain via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:
I'm not sure I understand this statement. XEmacs is an alternative to Emacs, but I'm not sure what use case you're referring to where XEmacs would be the 
answer and not Emacs.
BTW, I use Emacs on the desktop with Emacspeak and not Orca. Of course you could also run it in a terminal or console with Emacspeak. I haven't used Speechd-el, so I can't compare the two. I used to use Emacs with Emacspeak 
for code development, but it's been a while.


On 3/1/19 1:52 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
xemacs is available as an alternative to emacs for use cases similar to 
yours if my information is correct.

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019, Nolan Darilek wrote:


Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 09:40:43
From: Nolan Darilek <nolan thewordnerd info>
To: Orca <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: [orca-list] Using Emacs under Orca
I've been using VSCode under Windows and am getting a bit spoiled by it. Until we have Electron app support under Linux, I'm considering trying to try getting Emacs working as similarly as I can (I.e. language server interfaces, 
code completion, etc.)
Does anyone have tips for making it work under Orca? Should I just run it in a terminal or is there a GUI interface, or should I turn off Orca and use 
Emacspeak/Speechd-el?
If the latter, which should I use? How do Emacspeak and Speechd-el compare?
And is anyone currently doing this and finding it useful? I'm currently just using Gedit for code, but I like the integrated warnings/code completions that language servers provide, and I don't know that Gedit supports this at all. 


Thanks.

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