Re: [orca-list] Call for testing master with web content

[Janina Sajka <janina rednote net>]

Hi,

I've also been on Master since Friday last without issues.

Janina

Alex ARNAUD writes:
> Hello Joanie and all,
>
> I'm testing the new Orca master for days without encountering issues.
>
> For the bug reporting, I'll try to investigate when I could to report the
> issue. Thanks for your pointer that will help me a lot.
>
> Best regards,
> Alex.
>
> Le 08/02/2019 à 20:36, Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
> > Hi Jean-Philippe.
> >
> > Regarding reporting, I'd start with Firefox. Alex should be able to use
> > Accerciser to monitor for caret-moved events and selection-changed
> > events. I was seeing both of these. What I did was use Alex's steps to
> > reproduce, tweaking with the following:
> >
> > After loading both pages:
> > 1. give focus back to the etherpad page
> > 2. arrow to a heading
> > 3. down arrow to the next line with "normal" text
> > 4. press alt+2 to move focus to the non-etherpad test case page
> >
> > Expected results: After switching pages, there would be no caret-moved
> > event for the line with normal text nor a selection-change the
> > font/format combo box.
> >
> > Actual results: After switching pages, there is a caret-moved event for
> > the line with normal text and a selection-change event for the
> > font/format combo box.
> >
> > Based on what Nolan stated and the fact that the document in question
> > claimed to be focused, I'm now wondering if the event is just super
> > delayed. Regardless, as you guys sometimes say about Orca+Firefox bugs,
> > this one is super annoying. Orca depends massively on getting valid
> > events. And when it gets events that totally look valid, just like good
> > events, but needs to ignore them because they're bogus or super-delayed
> > or whatever, the ignoring bit is very, very, very fragile and risky.
> >
> > --joanie
> >
> > On 2/8/19 1:45 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Thanks Joanie, I am testing this master release.
> > >
> > > You mention bugs in Etherpad/Firefox, should we report? To hope that
> > > they will be fixed to avoid workarounds?
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > Le 08/02/2019 à 19:36, Nolan Darilek a écrit :
> > > > FWIW, I've seen this behavior elsewhere, so I suspect it is Firefox
> > > > leaking events, not Etherpad.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For instance, sometimes if I open this URL:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://capmetro.org/planner/?#!P|SQ!input|Anderson/Gault,%20Stop%20ID%204580!start|yes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > and I navigate away, waiting for a real-time transit update, my caret
> > > > presents as if it is still on the bus stop's page even though it isn't.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyhow, I now use Chromium/ChromeOS for browsing so can't test this
> > > > change, but thought I'd offer another data point if it might help.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2/8/19 12:06 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > > > Hey all.
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem reported by Hypra regarding Orca presenting and navigating
> > > > > in etherpad when that page tab was not focused happens to be due to a
> > > > > bug in either etherpad and/or Firefox. We're getting events that suggest
> > > > > you're in that pad even though you're not. To make matters more fun,
> > > > > checking the state of the non-focused document results in our being told
> > > > > that it's focused.
> > > > >
> > > > > Soooo.... I've added a couple of hacks designed to filter out those
> > > > > events. There's a chance the filter might be too enthusiastic which will
> > > > > cause Orca to stop presenting things it should (and used to) present.
> > > > > I've decided to risk it even though we're getting quite close to the end
> > > > > of this release cycle on the grounds that fixing this issue would be
> > > > > good. I would ask you all to test master thoroughly with web content
> > > > > starting.... NOW! :)
> > > > >
> > > > > If you find any issues, please verify they are regressions first. To do
> > > > > so, locally revert the following:
> > > > >
> > > > > =====
> > > > > commit 21aff9d5fb6252ee44f2a29f96f1018e84576426
> > > > > Author: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>
> > > > > Date:   Fri Feb 8 12:01:32 2019 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >       Attempt to identify and ignore bogus events from background
> > > > > etherpad
> > > > > =====
> > > > >
> > > > > If that magically fixes things, then yup, it's a regression and I need
> > > > > to know about it ASAP.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lastly, please direct questions about git to the mailing list. Many
> > > > > users here can help you. And I have more things I'd like to accomplish
> > > > > prior to code freeze.
> > > > >
> > > > > As always, thanks in advance!!
> > > > > --joanie
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> >
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-- 

Janina Sajka

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures        http://www.w3.org/wai/apa