Re: [orca-list] tried fenrir again

[chrys linux-a11y org]

Howdy Didier,

ok changed in master.
fenrir has a lot of crazy capabilitys. i m very fast in create a hell  
lot of code but sadly i suck in english documentation. if someone want  
me to help out here (maybe a native speaker) would be awsome.

by the way, i recomment if you want to use fenrir in an terminal  
emulator that the terminal emulator is not support ATK/ AT-SPI. Not  
because AT-SPI its not awsome, but in this way the terminal running  
fenrir would not conflict with orca :). xterm or currently konsole  
(last should be support ATK in middle ranged future). to use xterm  
there is some setting needed as xterm doesnt create the input  
sequences correclty by default.
in some cases it could make sense using fenrir on terminal emulator as  
it handles (mostly curses based apps) _sometimes_ better ( or lets say  
differnt ;) ) than orca. as it is not effected by invalid events as it  
does create "diffs" of the screen. and this mode should it also make  
runnable on macOS and BSD based systems.

cheers chrys

Zitat von Didier Spaier <didier slint fr>:

> Howdy Chrys,
>
> I confirm that this works here.
>
> Maybe you could make the --help output a little more non-technical friendly?
>
> didier[~]$ fenrir --help
> usage: fenrir [-h] [-s SETTING-FILE] [-o SECTION#SETTING=VALUE;..] [-d] [-p]
>               [-e] [-E]
>
> Fenrir Help
>
> optional arguments:
>   -h, --help            show this help message and exit
>   -s SETTING-FILE, --setting SETTING-FILE
>                         Use a specified settingsfile
>   -o SECTION#SETTING=VALUE;.., --options SECTION#SETTING=VALUE;..
>                         Overwrite options in given settings file. Sections,
>                         settings and Values are cases sensitive
>   -d, --debug           Turns on Debugmode
>   -p, --print           Print debug messages on screen
>   -e, --emulated-pty    Use PTY emulation and escape sequences for input
>   -E, --emulated-evdev  Use PTY emulation and evdev for input (single
>                         instance)
> I guess not everyone knows what means PTY emulation.
>
> For instance, maybe something like:
>   -e, --emulated-pty    Use PTY emulation and escape sequences for input
>                         Allows to use fenrir on the desktop, in a terminal
>                         for X
>
> Cheers,
>
> Didier
>
> On 24/04/2019 13:15, chrys linux-a11y org wrote:
> > Howdy,
> >
> > some additional info. To start fenrir in an terminal emulator you  
> > need to run fenrir with -e parameter
> > fenrir -e
> > this will start fenrirs emulation mode. terminal emulator shortcuts  
> > are limited to the input seqences so the  keyboard binding layout  
> > is different. this will change if i completed the ATK input driver  
> > for fenrir (anytime in my live lol).
> >
> > to have it read the TTY like Didier already told, root is still needed.
> > sudo fenrir
> > a startup sound appears if all is configured well.
> >
> > how did you installed fenrir?
> >
> > cheers chrys
> > Zitat von Chrys <chrys linux-a11y org>:
> >
> > > Howdy,
> > >
> > > > is of no use in mate-terminal.
> > > To correct this. It _can_ run on terminal emulators like  
> > > mate-terminal using pty emulation. For the other parts of the  
> > > desktop orca is needed.
> > >
> > > > Am 19.04.2019 um 20:47 schrieb Didier Spaier <didier slint fr>:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Michael,
> > > >
> > > > Fenrir is a console (or tty) screen reader, not intended for a  
> > > > graphical environment.
> > > >
> > > > So it can't replace Orca and is of no use in mate-terminal.
> > > >
> > > > Rather, you can compare it with espeakup or speechd-up.
> > > > As such it works well, as far as I can tell (I don't really need  
> > > > it being sighted, so I don't use all its screen review functions).
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Didier
> > > >
> > > > > On 19/04/2019 20:15, Michael Weaver via orca-list wrote:
> > > > > I tried fenrir again.
> > > > >
> > > > > The best I can do is to run it from the mate terminal and the  
> > > > > best I have achieved is to hear tones and to be told something  
> > > > > like agent is missing I think but the speed of the speech is  
> > > > > verry fast but that is the error message I seemed to have made  
> > > > > out.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am running Ubuntu 19.04.
> > > > >
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