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Re: [orca-list] Benefits of Linux

Okay, thanks for letting me know.  It's got a good sound for login which
I was hopeful of getting it working easily by myself.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018, Matt - Envrin Group wrote:


Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 11:08:29
From: Matt - Envrin Group <envrin group gmail com>
To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>
Cc: Eric Kosten <ekosten gmail com>, orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Benefits of Linux

Again, that's probably why.  Just get someone with sight to go through
the install for you.  Once it's booting from the hard drive, then it
works great.

Matt


On 9/28/18, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com> wrote:

No, I was trying to install it off a dvd I had burned.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018, Matt - Envrin Group wrote:


Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 10:47:29
From: Matt - Envrin Group <envrin group gmail com>
To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>
Cc: Eric Kosten <ekosten gmail com>, orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Benefits of Linux

Ohhh, I bet I know why.  Were you by chance running Linux Mint off a
USB drive, just to check it out?  If so, then that's your problem.  I
don't know why, but if you're running from a USB drive, Orca tends to
not stay on for more than 30 seconds.

Install on a hard drive, and it works almost perfectly.  By "almost" I
mean it does stop maybe once or two times in a 16 hour day, but that's
only when you get fast with it, and overload it.

Matt



On 9/28/18, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com> wrote:

I tried testing sarah which is latest version of linux mint mate and
couldn't keep orca long enough to do anything with it.  I suspect you
downloaded and used an earlier version or I got a corrupted download
except that another developer replicated my results and he has sight.

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018, Matt - Envrin Group via orca-list wrote:


Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 22:36:45
From: Matt - Envrin Group via orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
Reply-To: Matt - Envrin Group <envrin group gmail com>
To: Eric Kosten <ekosten gmail com>
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Benefits of Linux

Personally, I use Linux Mint MATE, which is basically a more user
friendly version of Ubuntu, and it's great.

The LibreOffice suite of software is excellent, and works great with
Orca.  I write business proposals, invoices, technical documentation,
create PDF files, and so on without any issue.  There is Base which is
the equivalent of Excel, and there is Impress which is the equivalent
of PowerPoint.

I don't use either of them, but I'm sure I would be able to if needed.
Then Writer is excellent, fully supports reading and saving Micrsoft
Word files, and is quite easy to use with Orca.

I guess it depends on your work, and personally I'm a PHP and Python
software developer who develops LINUX based software, generally
deploying on Ubuntu or CentOS servers.  So having tools like sshfs
available to me, that allow me to easily login to a server and mount
it to a directory on my computer makes life much easier for me.  Plus
things like cryptography and encryption are much easier in LINUX than
Windows, and they are essential in this modern world of ours.

I've tried NVDA with Windows before, and didn't really like it.  To
each their own though, and again, it depends on your line of work.

Geez, this blind thing is quite the experience, isn't it?  Personally,
I've been blind for exactly 2 years and 12 days.  Forgot to pencil
that into my life plan. :-)

Matt






On 9/27/18, Eric Kosten via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:

As a user of both ubuntu mate and windows, (I use windows in the
work
environment), these are the items and tasks that the world loads up
and
asks of blind users.

For example, in excell I am able to add labels to cells columns,
move
around in lower rows then hear the column titles.


On 9/27/2018 6:13 PM, Andy Borka via orca-list wrote:

This person now wants to know if using Office on Ubuntu is
comparable
to
using Office in Windows. They have to create PowerPoint
presentations,
use
advanced Word features such as comments, track changes, and
inserting
other
Office objects into a file. When using Excel, they have to use
advanced
features such as inserting graphs and charts, have the ability to
read
them
during a presentation, use advanced formulas, cell monitoring, and
forms.
Is
this possible in Ubuntu? If so, how would they do such tasks with
Orca?

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list <orca-list-bounces gnome org> On Behalf Of Jude
DaShiell
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 5:33 PM
To: Victor Lawrence <victorelawrence gmail com>; Jos? Vilmar
Est?cio
de
Souza <vilmar informal com br>
Cc: orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Benefits of Linux

First thing that's necessary is to want to become a linux power
user.
The next thing that's necessary is to get real proficient with bash
and
check for tutorials and files other than the man page for this one.
The
reason that's the case is if you're going to do a real long command
string
you want to think is this something needed only once or could it be
useful
for me in the future?  If the latter case is true, put it into a
bash
script
and save it with a descriptive name and a # file: title -
description
line
or lines in the bash script so you remember what it does six months
from
now.
After that, all kinds of command line support is available.  Unlike
Windows,
you have all kinds of documentation available to you since the
largest
support network is behind it.
If you have a text file you want to get aligned and alignment is
such
that
part of it you don't want aligned, Prefix every line not to be
wrapped
with
a period character then run it through fmt:
fmt < input > output.
After that's done edit output and remove the period characters from
beginnings of lines and nobody will ever know you had those period
character
prefixes in your output file.

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018, Victor Lawrence wrote:


Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:18:30
From: Victor Lawrence <victorelawrence gmail com>
To: Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza <vilmar informal com br>
Cc: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>, orca-list
<orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Benefits of Linux

This is definitely true.  One just has to have the patience to
learn
the

command line and understand the benefits of using it to perform
certain
tasks.

   Many don?t have the patience to memorize long character
strings.
Ubuntu

Mate is very attractive to many because it has many menus like some
versions
of Windows which many prefer.

Victor


On Sep 26, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza

<vilmar informal com br> wrote:

For me command line is extremely useful when for example I need
to

manipulate large files.

Sometimes I need to eliminate duplicate lines or cut parts of
lines
from

large files. Linux is equipped with commands that simplify this
operations.


I could use the following sequence to eliminate duplicate lines:


sort large_file.txt |uniq >no_dupl.txt

or
sort large_file.txt |uniq -d dupl.txt


The last command will create a file with the lines that are
duplicated

in the file.

Depending on the application command line can be useful.



On 9/26/18 3:54 PM, Victor Lawrence via orca-list wrote:

Another benefit of Linux is that you no longer have to use the
command

line, especially if you are a casual computer user and the command
line
interface intimidates you.  You can now use Linux with the
graphical
user
interface and many applications have keyboard shortcuts.  Many
mistakenly
think you have no choice but to use the command line and this is a
misconception.

   I never use the command line and I do just fine with the
graphical

user interface.

Victor

On Sep 26, 2018, at 6:26 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>

<mailto:jdashiel panix com> wrote:

1) Largest support service on the planet, nothing any
proprietary
vendor can possibly match let alone exceed.
2) Much more operating stability than Windows,
3) Command line use provides power access to the systems,
4) Bare metal installs are way more possible than windows for
screen reader users which means,
5) user/installer of system survives a malware crash far better
than others,
6) Apple has made bare bones install for screen reader users
possible since 2006 because OSX is a cousin of Darwin which is
a

cousin to Linux.

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018, Milton wrote:


Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 09:10:54
From: Milton <milton duurzaamdigitaal org>
<mailto:milton duurzaamdigitaal org>
To: Jeanette C. <julien mail upb de>
<mailto:julien mail upb de>,
Andy Borka <sonfire11 gmail com> <mailto:sonfire11 gmail com>
Cc: orca-list gnome org <mailto:orca-list gnome org>
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Benefits of Linux

It is great to have a tool which in this case is the computer,
operating system and applications, that is community-driven
that
comes with far more values than tools based on primair
financial
interest. For reasons of digital security, sustainibility and
the
possibility to have directly contact with developers make it
awesome to own such tool. Further more this tool means freedom
and

preventing for constantly returning costs.

Milton
Op 26-09-18 om 08:12 schreef Jeanette C. via orca-list:

Sep 26 2018, Andy Borka via orca-list has written:


Hi,



I am bias in this subject from a technical point of view.
Someone asked me what the benefits of using Linux with orca
is
over

say Windows and OSX.

...
Hi Andy,
as you mentioned most - if not all - software is free, i.e.
doesn't cost anything.
Depending on your field of work, there will be - at least -
one
kind of helpful online community. Most major applications
even
have their own mailinglists or other forms of online group.
Mostly it is easy to contact development teams directly and
with
courtesey and reason, you will find open ears, help and - if
possible - willingness to listen to the user-base.
In many fields one can find good documentation. In some cases
so
much that it would need guidance to choose the best one to
start

with.

With initiative the Linux user experience is highly
customiseable. This extends from the look and feel of the
desktop environment to the choice of tools. In some areas
there
are very particular tools allowing to support a lot of
different

workflows and points of view.

As long as there are enough engaged users of an application,
there's a built-in guarantee that this application will be
updated and at least be maintained to work on modern systems.
If a user is willing and by any means capable, Linux can be a
very educational experience, leading a user to understand the
system and in time (fully) maintain it and/or build once own
highly specific work environment.

There is the other side as well. Please note that I am not
belittling or criticing anyone. Linux does still appear to
have
a steeper learning curve. I am not well-acquainted with
windows
myself, but with mac. The the mac screenreader works, it is
very
consistent, easy to get and powerful. Especially in a few
areas
of work (i.e. professional music
production) Linux cannot (yet) compete. To be fair: to be
really
competitive with the other systems, does cost a pretty penny.
The other systems appear to require less initiative on the
user's side to setup a reasonable working environment and
familiarise with it to a degree where everyday work is
possible.

As has been seen though, once a certain software becomes
accessible, doesn't mean that it will stay accessible. I have
never encountered this problem with opensource packages. This
doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but would be a rare occasion.
Quite on the contrary, I have seen quite a few packages been
made accessible, sometimes for as little as one user or simply
as
a

general movement of inclusion and openness.

HTH.

Best wishes,

Jeanette


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