Re: [orca-list] Benefits of Linux

[Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>]

No, I was trying to install it off a dvd I had burned.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018, Matt - Envrin Group wrote:

> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 10:47:29
> From: Matt - Envrin Group <envrin group gmail com>
> To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>
> Cc: Eric Kosten <ekosten gmail com>, orca-list gnome org
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Benefits of Linux
>
> Ohhh, I bet I know why.  Were you by chance running Linux Mint off a
> USB drive, just to check it out?  If so, then that's your problem.  I
> don't know why, but if you're running from a USB drive, Orca tends to
> not stay on for more than 30 seconds.
>
> Install on a hard drive, and it works almost perfectly.  By "almost" I
> mean it does stop maybe once or two times in a 16 hour day, but that's
> only when you get fast with it, and overload it.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> On 9/28/18, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com> wrote:
> > I tried testing sarah which is latest version of linux mint mate and
> > couldn't keep orca long enough to do anything with it.  I suspect you
> > downloaded and used an earlier version or I got a corrupted download
> > except that another developer replicated my results and he has sight.
> >
> > On Thu, 27 Sep 2018, Matt - Envrin Group via orca-list wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 22:36:45
> > > From: Matt - Envrin Group via orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
> > > Reply-To: Matt - Envrin Group <envrin group gmail com>
> > > To: Eric Kosten <ekosten gmail com>
> > > Cc: orca-list gnome org
> > > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Benefits of Linux
> > >
> > > Personally, I use Linux Mint MATE, which is basically a more user
> > > friendly version of Ubuntu, and it's great.
> > >
> > > The LibreOffice suite of software is excellent, and works great with
> > > Orca.  I write business proposals, invoices, technical documentation,
> > > create PDF files, and so on without any issue.  There is Base which is
> > > the equivalent of Excel, and there is Impress which is the equivalent
> > > of PowerPoint.
> > >
> > > I don't use either of them, but I'm sure I would be able to if needed.
> > > Then Writer is excellent, fully supports reading and saving Micrsoft
> > > Word files, and is quite easy to use with Orca.
> > >
> > > I guess it depends on your work, and personally I'm a PHP and Python
> > > software developer who develops LINUX based software, generally
> > > deploying on Ubuntu or CentOS servers.  So having tools like sshfs
> > > available to me, that allow me to easily login to a server and mount
> > > it to a directory on my computer makes life much easier for me.  Plus
> > > things like cryptography and encryption are much easier in LINUX than
> > > Windows, and they are essential in this modern world of ours.
> > >
> > > I've tried NVDA with Windows before, and didn't really like it.  To
> > > each their own though, and again, it depends on your line of work.
> > >
> > > Geez, this blind thing is quite the experience, isn't it?  Personally,
> > > I've been blind for exactly 2 years and 12 days.  Forgot to pencil
> > > that into my life plan. :-)
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/27/18, Eric Kosten via orca-list <orca-list gnome org> wrote:
> > > > As a user of both ubuntu mate and windows, (I use windows in the work
> > > > environment), these are the items and tasks that the world loads up and
> > > > asks of blind users.
> > > >
> > > > For example, in excell I am able to add labels to cells columns, move
> > > > around in lower rows then hear the column titles.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/27/2018 6:13 PM, Andy Borka via orca-list wrote:
> > > > > This person now wants to know if using Office on Ubuntu is comparable
> > > > > to
> > > > > using Office in Windows. They have to create PowerPoint presentations,
> > > > > use
> > > > > advanced Word features such as comments, track changes, and inserting
> > > > > other
> > > > > Office objects into a file. When using Excel, they have to use
> > > > > advanced
> > > > > features such as inserting graphs and charts, have the ability to read
> > > > > them
> > > > > during a presentation, use advanced formulas, cell monitoring, and
> > > > > forms.
> > > > > Is
> > > > > this possible in Ubuntu? If so, how would they do such tasks with
> > > > > Orca?
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: orca-list <orca-list-bounces gnome org> On Behalf Of Jude
> > > > > DaShiell
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 5:33 PM
> > > > > To: Victor Lawrence <victorelawrence gmail com>; Jos? Vilmar Est?cio
> > > > > de
> > > > > Souza <vilmar informal com br>
> > > > > Cc: orca-list <orca-list gnome org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Benefits of Linux
> > > > >
> > > > > First thing that's necessary is to want to become a linux power user.
> > > > > The next thing that's necessary is to get real proficient with bash
> > > > > and
> > > > > check for tutorials and files other than the man page for this one.
> > > > > The
> > > > > reason that's the case is if you're going to do a real long command
> > > > > string
> > > > > you want to think is this something needed only once or could it be
> > > > > useful
> > > > > for me in the future?  If the latter case is true, put it into a bash
> > > > > script
> > > > > and save it with a descriptive name and a # file: title - description
> > > > > line
> > > > > or lines in the bash script so you remember what it does six months
> > > > > from
> > > > > now.
> > > > > After that, all kinds of command line support is available.  Unlike
> > > > > Windows,
> > > > > you have all kinds of documentation available to you since the largest
> > > > > support network is behind it.
> > > > > If you have a text file you want to get aligned and alignment is such
> > > > > that
> > > > > part of it you don't want aligned, Prefix every line not to be wrapped
> > > > > with
> > > > > a period character then run it through fmt:
> > > > > fmt < input > output.
> > > > > After that's done edit output and remove the period characters from
> > > > > beginnings of lines and nobody will ever know you had those period
> > > > > character
> > > > > prefixes in your output file.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 26 Sep 2018, Victor Lawrence wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:18:30
> > > > > > From: Victor Lawrence <victorelawrence gmail com>
> > > > > > To: Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza <vilmar informal com br>
> > > > > > Cc: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>, orca-list
> > > > > > <orca-list gnome org>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Benefits of Linux
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is definitely true.  One just has to have the patience to learn
> > > > > > the
> > > > > command line and understand the benefits of using it to perform
> > > > > certain
> > > > > tasks.
> > > > > >    Many don?t have the patience to memorize long character strings.
> > > > > > Ubuntu
> > > > > Mate is very attractive to many because it has many menus like some
> > > > > versions
> > > > > of Windows which many prefer.
> > > > > > Victor
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sep 26, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Jos? Vilmar Est?cio de Souza
> > > > > <vilmar informal com br> wrote:
> > > > > > > For me command line is extremely useful when for example I need to
> > > > > manipulate large files.
> > > > > > > Sometimes I need to eliminate duplicate lines or cut parts of lines
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > large files. Linux is equipped with commands that simplify this
> > > > > operations.
> > > > > > > I could use the following sequence to eliminate duplicate lines:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > sort large_file.txt |uniq >no_dupl.txt
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > sort large_file.txt |uniq -d dupl.txt
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The last command will create a file with the lines that are
> > > > > > > duplicated
> > > > > in the file.
> > > > > > > Depending on the application command line can be useful.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 9/26/18 3:54 PM, Victor Lawrence via orca-list wrote:
> > > > > > > > Another benefit of Linux is that you no longer have to use the
> > > > > > > > command
> > > > > line, especially if you are a casual computer user and the command
> > > > > line
> > > > > interface intimidates you.  You can now use Linux with the graphical
> > > > > user
> > > > > interface and many applications have keyboard shortcuts.  Many
> > > > > mistakenly
> > > > > think you have no choice but to use the command line and this is a
> > > > > misconception.
> > > > > > > >    I never use the command line and I do just fine with the
> > > > > > > > graphical
> > > > > user interface.
> > > > > > > > Victor
> > > > > > > > > On Sep 26, 2018, at 6:26 AM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel panix com>
> > > > > <mailto:jdashiel panix com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 1) Largest support service on the planet, nothing any proprietary
> > > > > > > > > vendor can possibly match let alone exceed.
> > > > > > > > > 2) Much more operating stability than Windows,
> > > > > > > > > 3) Command line use provides power access to the systems,
> > > > > > > > > 4) Bare metal installs are way more possible than windows for
> > > > > > > > > screen reader users which means,
> > > > > > > > > 5) user/installer of system survives a malware crash far better
> > > > > > > > > than others,
> > > > > > > > > 6) Apple has made bare bones install for screen reader users
> > > > > > > > > possible since 2006 because OSX is a cousin of Darwin which is a
> > > > > cousin to Linux.
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, 26 Sep 2018, Milton wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 09:10:54
> > > > > > > > > > From: Milton <milton duurzaamdigitaal org>
> > > > > > > > > > <mailto:milton duurzaamdigitaal org>
> > > > > > > > > > To: Jeanette C. <julien mail upb de> <mailto:julien mail upb de>,
> > > > > > > > > > Andy Borka <sonfire11 gmail com> <mailto:sonfire11 gmail com>
> > > > > > > > > > Cc: orca-list gnome org <mailto:orca-list gnome org>
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Benefits of Linux
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It is great to have a tool which in this case is the computer,
> > > > > > > > > > operating system and applications, that is community-driven that
> > > > > > > > > > comes with far more values than tools based on primair financial
> > > > > > > > > > interest. For reasons of digital security, sustainibility and the
> > > > > > > > > > possibility to have directly contact with developers make it
> > > > > > > > > > awesome to own such tool. Further more this tool means freedom
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > preventing for constantly returning costs.
> > > > > > > > > > Milton
> > > > > > > > > > Op 26-09-18 om 08:12 schreef Jeanette C. via orca-list:
> > > > > > > > > > > Sep 26 2018, Andy Borka via orca-list has written:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I am bias in this subject from a technical point of view.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Someone asked me what the benefits of using Linux with orca is
> > > > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > say Windows and OSX.
> > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Andy,
> > > > > > > > > > > as you mentioned most - if not all - software is free, i.e.
> > > > > > > > > > > doesn't cost anything.
> > > > > > > > > > > Depending on your field of work, there will be - at least - one
> > > > > > > > > > > kind of helpful online community. Most major applications even
> > > > > > > > > > > have their own mailinglists or other forms of online group.
> > > > > > > > > > > Mostly it is easy to contact development teams directly and with
> > > > > > > > > > > courtesey and reason, you will find open ears, help and - if
> > > > > > > > > > > possible - willingness to listen to the user-base.
> > > > > > > > > > > In many fields one can find good documentation. In some cases so
> > > > > > > > > > > much that it would need guidance to choose the best one to start
> > > > > with.
> > > > > > > > > > > With initiative the Linux user experience is highly
> > > > > > > > > > > customiseable. This extends from the look and feel of the
> > > > > > > > > > > desktop environment to the choice of tools. In some areas there
> > > > > > > > > > > are very particular tools allowing to support a lot of different
> > > > > workflows and points of view.
> > > > > > > > > > > As long as there are enough engaged users of an application,
> > > > > > > > > > > there's a built-in guarantee that this application will be
> > > > > > > > > > > updated and at least be maintained to work on modern systems.
> > > > > > > > > > > If a user is willing and by any means capable, Linux can be a
> > > > > > > > > > > very educational experience, leading a user to understand the
> > > > > > > > > > > system and in time (fully) maintain it and/or build once own
> > > > > > > > > > > highly specific work environment.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > There is the other side as well. Please note that I am not
> > > > > > > > > > > belittling or criticing anyone. Linux does still appear to have
> > > > > > > > > > > a steeper learning curve. I am not well-acquainted with windows
> > > > > > > > > > > myself, but with mac. The the mac screenreader works, it is very
> > > > > > > > > > > consistent, easy to get and powerful. Especially in a few areas
> > > > > > > > > > > of work (i.e. professional music
> > > > > > > > > > > production) Linux cannot (yet) compete. To be fair: to be really
> > > > > > > > > > > competitive with the other systems, does cost a pretty penny.
> > > > > > > > > > > The other systems appear to require less initiative on the
> > > > > > > > > > > user's side to setup a reasonable working environment and
> > > > > > > > > > > familiarise with it to a degree where everyday work is possible.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > As has been seen though, once a certain software becomes
> > > > > > > > > > > accessible, doesn't mean that it will stay accessible. I have
> > > > > > > > > > > never encountered this problem with opensource packages. This
> > > > > > > > > > > doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but would be a rare occasion.
> > > > > > > > > > > Quite on the contrary, I have seen quite a few packages been
> > > > > > > > > > > made accessible, sometimes for as little as one user or simply as
> > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > general movement of inclusion and openness.
> > > > > > > > > > > HTH.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Jeanette
> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > > > > > > orca-list gnome org <mailto:orca-list gnome org>
> > > > > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > > > > > > <https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list>
> > > > > > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > > > > > > > <https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca>
> > > > > > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > > > > > > > <https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/>
> > > > > > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > > > > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > > > > > > > <https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html>
> > > > > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > > > > > > <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/>
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > > > > > orca-list gnome org <mailto:orca-list gnome org>
> > > > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > > > > > <https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list>
> > > > > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > > > > > > <https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca>
> > > > > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > > > > > > <https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/>
> > > > > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > > > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > > > > > > <https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html>
> > > > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > > > > > <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/>
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > > > > > orca-list gnome org <mailto:orca-list gnome org>
> > > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > > > > <https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list>
> > > > > > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > > > > > <https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca>
> > > > > > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > > > > > <https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/>
> > > > > > > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > > > > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > > > > > <https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html>
> > > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > > > > <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/>
> > > > > > > --
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > orca-list mailing list
> > > orca-list gnome org
> > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > GNOME Universal Access guide:
> > > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> >
> > --

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