Re: [orca-list] Regression: Orca says "no focus" on Thunderbird when opening a mail

[Jace Kattalakis <khalfang1366 gmail com>]

For my own situation....It's not just Thunderbird, and alt tab doesn't 
work in one instance in Mate when I've hit super key to open the Brisk 
menu and had 'no focus' then it grabbed the menu. The thing that's got 
me wondering however, is the menu took time to come up, whereas on my 
Dell i7 laptop it comes up instantly, makes me wonder if my oldr system 
is taking too long to switch between tasks/open Brisk menu however, or 
too long for Orca and it decides it can't focus and throws that out. 
Just a theory but no proof to bak it up bar my desktop system and the 
aforementioned debug log that got submitted.
On 09/08/2018 12:28 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> I may not be following the whole thread, but if this message comes up 
> when using Thunderbird then I don't think the message that this 
> application may not be accessible is a good option since Thunderbird 
> is accessible. For my part, I'm OK with the no focus message. This 
> tells me that I should try to alt tab away from the application and 
> then alt tab back to see if I can then get focus. If that still 
> doesn't work, then I assume it's an accessibility issue.
>
>
> On 09/07/2018 12:10 PM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:
> > While I agree with Joan that we don't need long, vague messages I 
> > also agree 'no focus' isn't very helpful to a casual user as well. 
> > Maybe we should come up with another short and to the point 
> > message....though I got no idea what it is. I did send Joan my debug 
> > log for it though but not knowing what I'm looking for I didn't spot 
> > anything out of the ordinary on my Mate 18.04.1 system. Okay this is 
> > getting weird now, it used to happen on the desktop, which seeems to 
> > have been fixed, now it happens when opening up the Brisk menu and 
> > semingly at random. Either way I sent my debug log in to Joain to see 
> > if that can help narrow down the issue.
> >
> > he
> >
> >
> > On 07/09/18 17:42, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> > > Le 07/09/2018 à 17:36, Keith Barrett a écrit :
> > > > On 07/09/18 12:22, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> > > > > Thanks Joanmarie for the explanation. Indeed, it's an really good
> > > > > idea to add this sort of message. Maybe another message should be
> > > > > send to the user. Personally I don't understand it. I propose: "The
> > > > >  application seems to be not accessible".
> > > > Oh dear, we do not want long vague messages to listen to, no focus
> > > > works well as it describes exactly the issue.
> > >
> > > I understand your point Keith. I don't think "no focus" is clear 
> > > because
> > > if an application isn't accessible it doesn't mean for a regular 
> > > user the application has not the focus. An inaccessible application 
> > > could have the focus and the keyboard can move in it but Orca isn't 
> > > able to report anything to the user.
> > >
> > > I myself don't understand the relationship between "no focus" and 
> > > "application is not accessible".
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Alex.
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