Re: [orca-list] Regression: Orca says "no focus" on Thunderbird when opening a mail

[Christopher Chaltain <chaltain gmail com>]

I may not be following the whole thread, but if this message comes up 
when using Thunderbird then I don't think the message that this 
application may not be accessible is a good option since Thunderbird is 
accessible. For my part, I'm OK with the no focus message. This tells me 
that I should try to alt tab away from the application and then alt tab 
back to see if I can then get focus. If that still doesn't work, then I 
assume it's an accessibility issue.


On 09/07/2018 12:10 PM, Jace Kattalakis via orca-list wrote:
> While I agree with Joan that we don't need long, vague messages I also 
> agree 'no focus' isn't very helpful to a casual user as well. Maybe we 
> should come up with another short and to the point message....though I 
> got no idea what it is. I did send Joan my debug log for it though but 
> not knowing what I'm looking for I didn't spot anything out of the 
> ordinary on my Mate 18.04.1 system. Okay this is getting weird now, it 
> used to happen on the desktop, which seeems to have been fixed, now it 
> happens when opening up the Brisk menu and semingly at random. Either 
> way I sent my debug log in to Joain to see if that can help narrow 
> down the issue.
>
> he
>
>
> On 07/09/18 17:42, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> > Le 07/09/2018 à 17:36, Keith Barrett a écrit :
> > > On 07/09/18 12:22, Alex ARNAUD wrote:
> > > > Thanks Joanmarie for the explanation. Indeed, it's an really good
> > > > idea to add this sort of message. Maybe another message should be
> > > > send to the user. Personally I don't understand it. I propose: "The
> > > >  application seems to be not accessible".
> > > Oh dear, we do not want long vague messages to listen to, no focus
> > > works well as it describes exactly the issue.
> >
> > I understand your point Keith. I don't think "no focus" is clear because
> > if an application isn't accessible it doesn't mean for a regular user 
> > the application has not the focus. An inaccessible application could 
> > have the focus and the keyboard can move in it but Orca isn't able to 
> > report anything to the user.
> >
> > I myself don't understand the relationship between "no focus" and 
> > "application is not accessible".
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Alex.
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