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Re: [orca-list] When opening a folder with lot of files in it with Orca, it is very slow.

Just FYI: F123 is still contributing to accessibility work, as it has for the last 10 years or so.
Our most recent work has to do with the usability of the Raspberry Pi and Fenrir, for example: 

https://public.F123.org/guide.html


Fernando




On 04/12/2018 09:24 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:


Hello Jean Philippe,
Well Fernando and perhaps others are interested in donating to a particular feature.However I'm looking for a way to become somewhat usefull in this difficult situation. I am not able to collect huge investments such as several thousands euro. I am curious if end user small donations might be usefull for you. Imagine something like Christopher Toth and Tyler Spivey were able to collect some 10000 dollars from campaign targetted at end users in order to develop NVDARemoteAccess addon. While I can't make huge donations I'm still gratefull for what you are doing because I can now see what Alex managed to accomplish is more than awesome. There is no other company doing linux accessibility development except of hypra and igalia as far as I am aware thus I.d be happy to somehow help increasing the efforts. So are small recuring donations supporting your goals acceptable somewhere or hypra is only looking for more valuable investments? 

Greetings

Peter
Dňa št 12. 4. 2018, 7:55 Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <jpmengual hypra fr <mailto:jpmengual hypra fr>> napísal(a): 

    >

> Hi,
>
> Samuel has been working on accessibility in free software for a long, and it is a charm! His role in our struggle for an accessible free software is critical and major. 
>
> Just the work he has been doing since Semtember is due to the fact Hypra pays for it. Just like Hypra pays Alex to test and improve accessibility in software (low-vision, but also Orca). 
>
> Also, the fact Hypra pays Samuel il important to know because it enables us to give him priorities. That is why he worked on Firefox, because we decided it is a priority. 
>
> Working on Caja problem could be one as well. A payent would make it easier as the bug mathces to some particular beeds, as few users in ours have big folders, and then this problem. But it exists, and we would be hammy to priorize it if we are helped. 
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
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>
> Le 11/04/2018 à 15:57, Fernando Botelho a écrit :

    >>

>> Peter, please share what you find with the rest of us.
>>
>>
>> Also, check if this issue is on his radar screen and if people donating can vote to give this or something else priority. 
>>
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/11/2018 08:18 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:

    >>>

>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> If I were able to donate some funds, I would send all of them towards Samuel who is doing his best in order to revive some awesome a11y development for linux under hypra's umbrella. At least this is what I'm seeing on various bug trackers and email lists including Libreoffice, Mozilla, Mate, Gnome and all of GTK, speech-dispatcher, brltty and many more. 
>>> Without his dedication we would get lost even sooner.
>>> We need to do something to avoid happening the same thing what has happened to Luke. >>> I'm going to see if there is a way to donate either personally to Samuel or to Hypra. 
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> Dňa ut 10. 4. 2018, 23:00 kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com <mailto:coffeekingms gmail com><mailto:coffeekingms gmail com> <mailto:coffeekingms gmail com>> napísal(a): 
>>>
>>>     hi
>>>
>>>     Cannot agree more, this issue needs to be fixed and stay fixed.
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 04/10/2018 02:20 PM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
>>> > This issue has been a problem for quite some time now. Does anyone >>> > know how a dev or two could go about figuring a way to fix this? 
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Fernando
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > On 04/09/2018 07:08 AM, Nick Wood wrote:
>>>     >> On 09/04/18 10:53, Rob wrote:
>>> >>> Nick Wood <nick microlitesoftware co uk <mailto:nick microlitesoftware co uk> >>> <mailto:nick microlitesoftware co uk> <mailto:nick microlitesoftware co uk>> wrote: >>> >>>> Being able to view a folder in a file manager that has a large 
>>>     >>>> number of
>>>     >>>> items is about as fundamental as it gets.
>>>     >>>>
>>> >>>> Its not a problem on Windows with NVDA. Its not a problem on 
>>>     Mac with
>>>     >>>> VoiceOver.  Its not even a problem on Android with Google
>>>     TalkBack.
>>>     >>>> Its
>>>     >>>> only a problem on Linux with Orca.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> It's fundamental,  all right. But all of those have different
>>> >>> accessibility stacks. So yes, they are completely different from 
>>>     >>> each other. Each one handles things differently at a low
>>>     level. So I
>>>     >>> don't think it's really fair to compare tasks between two
>>>     operating
>>>     >>> systems.
>>>     >>
>>> >> Well, whatever the underlying reason, Windows handles it far better >>> >> than Linux. That's the perspective of an end user who just wants to 
>>>     >> get their work done.
>>>     >>
>>>     >> I can plug my girlfriend's Android phone into my Fedora PC and
>>> >> Nautilus will hang whilst trying to display her folder of photos. 
>>>     >>
>>> >> I can plug the same phone into Windows 7 (running on less powerful 
>>>     >> hardware) and it is perfectly snappy.
>>>     >>
>>> >> Therefore, with my developer hat on, I assume that the underlying >>> >> subsystems and APIs on Windows have been far better implemented 
>>>     than
>>>     >> the GTK/ATK accessibility stack on Linux.
>>>     >>
>>>     >> That is not a criticism of anyone - particularly those on this
>>>     list -
>>>     >> it is just a fact of life.
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Perhaps by comparing Linux and Windows more often we can
>>>     identify the
>>> >> things that Linux is pretty poor at, and eventually try and put 
>>>     them
>>>     >> right.
>>>     >>
>>> >> However you look at it, the accessibility stack on Linux has some 
>>>     >> pretty serious performance issues when dealing with large
>>>     quantities
>>>     >> of objects.
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Regards,
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Nick
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