[orca-list] When opening a folder with lot of files in it with Orca, it is very slow.



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Hi,

Samuel has been working on accessibility in free software for a long, and it is a charm! His role in our struggle for an accessible free software is critical and major.

Just the work he has been doing since Semtember is due to the fact Hypra pays for it. Just like Hypra pays Alex to test and improve accessibility in software (low-vision, but also Orca).

Also, the fact Hypra pays Samuel il important to know because it enables us to give him priorities. That is why he worked on Firefox, because we decided it is a priority.

Working on Caja problem could be one as well. A payent would make it easier as the bug mathces to some particular beeds, as few users in ours have big folders, and then this problem. But it exists, and we would be hammy to priorize it if we are helped.

Best regards,



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Le 11/04/2018 à 15:57, Fernando Botelho a écrit :
Peter, please share what you find with the rest of us.


Also, check if this issue is on his radar screen and if people donating can vote to give this or something else priority.


Fernando



On 04/11/2018 08:18 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:

Hello,

If I were able to donate some funds, I would send all of them towards Samuel who is doing his best in order to revive some awesome a11y development for linux under hypra's umbrella. At least this is what I'm seeing on various bug trackers and email lists including Libreoffice, Mozilla, Mate, Gnome and all of GTK, speech-dispatcher, brltty and many more.
Without his dedication we would get lost even sooner.
We need to do something to avoid happening the same thing what has happened to Luke.
I'm going to see if there is a way to donate either personally to Samuel or to Hypra.

Greetings

Peter


Dňa ut 10. 4. 2018, 23:00 kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com <mailto:coffeekingms gmail com>> napísal(a):

    hi

    Cannot agree more, this issue needs to be fixed and stay fixed.


    On 04/10/2018 02:20 PM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
    > This issue has been a problem for quite some time now. Does anyone
    > know how a dev or two could go about figuring a way to fix this?
    >
    >
    > Fernando
    >
    >
    >
    > On 04/09/2018 07:08 AM, Nick Wood wrote:
    >> On 09/04/18 10:53, Rob wrote:
    >>> Nick Wood <nick microlitesoftware co uk
    <mailto:nick microlitesoftware co uk>> wrote:
    >>>> Being able to view a folder in a file manager that has a large
    >>>> number of
    >>>> items is about as fundamental as it gets.
    >>>>
    >>>> Its not a problem on Windows with NVDA.  Its not a problem on
    Mac with
    >>>> VoiceOver.  Its not even a problem on Android with Google
    TalkBack.
    >>>> Its
    >>>> only a problem on Linux with Orca.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> It's fundamental,  all right. But all of those have different
    >>> accessibility stacks. So yes, they are completely different from
    >>> each other. Each one handles things differently at a low
    level. So I
    >>> don't think it's really fair to compare tasks between two
    operating
    >>> systems.
    >>
    >> Well, whatever the underlying reason, Windows handles it far better
    >> than Linux. That's the perspective of an end user who just wants to
    >> get their work done.
    >>
    >> I can plug my girlfriend's Android phone into my Fedora PC and
    >> Nautilus will hang whilst trying to display her folder of photos.
    >>
    >> I can plug the same phone into Windows 7 (running on less powerful
    >> hardware) and it is perfectly snappy.
    >>
    >> Therefore, with my developer hat on, I assume that the underlying
    >> subsystems and APIs on Windows have been far better implemented
    than
    >> the GTK/ATK accessibility stack on Linux.
    >>
    >> That is not a criticism of anyone - particularly those on this
    list -
    >> it is just a fact of life.
    >>
    >> Perhaps by comparing Linux and Windows more often we can
    identify the
    >> things that Linux is pretty poor at, and eventually try and put
    them
    >> right.
    >>
    >> However you look at it, the accessibility stack on Linux has some
    >> pretty serious performance issues when dealing with large
    quantities
    >> of objects.
    >>
    >> Regards,
    >>
    >> Nick
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    >> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
    >> GNOME Universal Access guide:
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    >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
    >
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    > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
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    > https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
    > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

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Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org



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