Re: [orca-list] improve irssi support

[Tyna Pelletier-Bilodeau <ecole tyna gmail com>]

Yes there is, located at: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86665

Janina Sajka a écrit :
> Hmmm, not seeing that myself, but I don't run any terminal apps under X.
> I'm only there for Firefox, perhaps Calc, etc.
>
>
> I'm definitely running irssi in a console tty screen session with
> Speakup. In fact, I typically run about 4 different irssi sessions in 4
> separate terminals.
>
> Is there a filed bug for what your seeing?
>
> Janina
>
> Tyna Pelletier-Bilodeau writes:
> > Hi,
> > I do use screen myself, but the issue I'm annoyed at is a bug in xorg that
> > has been present for a long, ong time, since 2014 I think. Basically each
> > time you go in another tty from the one where xorg is runnning, you suspend
> > your X session. When you resume, instead of using the already established
> > connection for /dev/dri/card0, that idiot reopens a new connection without
> > closing the old one. Do that and eventually you end up being unable to open
> > any new window or program in X. Maximum number of clients reached. I'm
> > *SICK* of this stupid bug and the way my irc is done, I can't use pidgin,
> > hence the request to improve irssi support if possible.
> >
> > Janina Sajka a écrit :
> > > Tyna is correct. Speakup is not at all object oriented, so no AT-SPI
> > > support whatsoever.
> > >
> > > It's purely a console/terminal screen reader, i.e. whatever row/column
> > > grid you've set resolution to. Personally, I use the app screen with
> > > Speakup, so am not directly on the TTY console. My resolution gives me
> > > 65 rows by 175 columns.
> > >
> > > One can define zones of this grid for special access, but there's no
> > > facility to load special scripts based on what app might be running as
> > > the old DOS screen readers (like asap and vocal-eyes) used to do.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, there's tremendous capibility in bash, and many, many
> > > apps that work very well from a console tty--and arguably better from a
> > > screen session in that tty.
> > >
> > > Since Linux doesn't limit how many tty console sessions you can launch,
> > > whyworry about irssi under Orca? Why not simply Alt+Ctrl+FN whatever to
> > > switch to the tty where you're running irssi with Speakup?
> > >
> > > Personally, I have 24 tty consoles defined. The Left Alt gets me to the
> > > first 12, and the right Alt gets me 13-24. Yes, I do use them all, quite
> > > systematically, actually.
> > >
> > > tia
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > > Tyna Pelletier-Bilodeau writes:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > speakup is a pure console screen reader, so no it can't really use at-spi2,
> > > > unless it also handles tty in some ways I'm not aware of
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Joanmarie Diggs a écrit :
> > > > > Hi Tyna.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 06/23/2017 10:58 AM, Tyna Pelletier-Bilodeau wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > > As far as I know, all irssi is using is terminfo, I don't know why
> > > > > > speakup works so well with it and yet orca does not, but I'd like it if
> > > > > > support could be improved.
> > > > > Is speakup using AT-SPI2 for this presentation?
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason I ask is that the information we get via AT-SPI2 is mostly
> > > > > accessible-text change events -- and not events that are clear. Often,
> > > > > when new text comes in, the event is not for just the newly-inserted
> > > > > text; there's a text deletion event removing a bunch of text followed by
> > > > > an insertion of a bunch of text, and Orca has to play "Guess what
> > > > > changed and why." Furthermore, Orca doesn't know you're in irssi, or
> > > > > vim, or less, or.... So the guessing game is pretty challenging. On top
> > > > > of all of that, there are a few bugs in VTE's accessible-text
> > > > > implementation (e.g. when you ask for the line, do you get the right
> > > > > line and offsets?). That also has to be taken into account in the
> > > > > guessing game.
> > > > >
> > > > > --joanie
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > orca-list mailing list
> > > > orca-list gnome org
> > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca
> > > > Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/
> > > > GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html
> > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org