Re: [orca-list] Ot: does anyone have a certification from the Linux foundation?

["B. Henry" <burt1iband gmail com>]

Not going to cover enough in medicine or law, and is already done to a point in medicine anyway, but handled 
badly with interns and those doing other 
kinds of on the job practice are worked for such long shifts that their memory is not anywhere near its best.
Perhaps a bit more time spent doing on the job training would be the way to go however, but the academic side 
is very important, especiallly wqith the 
current rate of advance in so many branches of medicine. 

Experience is important and valuable, but a doc trained in 1060 is not going to be up to date in most cases 
in  many important areas. 
Some doctors will of course make the time to continue their study, in some cases formally, but generally on 
their own reading, attending conferences and 
the like. 
In law also there are things that are done in school that would not be easy to organize in an apprentice 
system.
 

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     B.H.
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  Al Sten-Clanton wrote:
Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 12:13:39PM -0500

> Since we're way off Orca here, I'll suggest that requiring medical or law or
> any other school to enter a calling may be the wrong approach entirely,
> especially given the costs.  Ful-fledged apprenticeship might be a lot
> better.  I figure it's unlikely to happen, though, since employers, somewhat
> understandably, would rather you learn at your own expense than theirs.
>
> I'll probably leave my thoughts at that.
>
> Al
>
> On 3/11/2016 12:35 PM, John Heim wrote:
> > But surely you don't think it's unfair for states to require a person to
> > go to medical school in order to be a doctor, do you? You just can't
> > learn everything you need to know to do something like manage a research
> > cluster on your own. It's not practical. You don't dismiss the value of
> > finishing high school, do you? So why are you drawing an arbitrary line
> > at high school? The world is getting more and more complicated every
> > day. It just takes more than 4 years of high school to learn everything
> > you need to know. Heck, I use what I learned in English class in college
> > practically every day. I write a better grant proposal because of the
> > writing classes I took in college.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 03/10/2016 04:47 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> > > I think you and I are addressing two separate issues here.  The point
> > > I'm trying to make is that I find it unwise for a hiring manager to
> > > make a degree a sort of trump card on deciding who to hire instead of
> > > giving due consideration and weight to other indicators like
> > > professional licenses and certifications along with pre-employment
> > > aptitude assessments that someone has the knowledge and skill to do
> > > the job for which they are hiring.  It was something of a protest to
> > > your statement that you needed a degree to be a sysadmin at a
> > > university or school if you even wanted to try and get one of those
> > > positions in your area.  Not against you, but against whoever makes
> > > these kinds of hiring decisions.  It struck me as a rather
> > > narrow-minded policy on the part of such institutions who could
> > > otherwise find people who would do a perfectly good job as long as
> > > they were shown to have certifications, knowledge and experience since
> > > I really don't think you need a four-year degree to lear
> > n how to manage a linux server.  I am in no way seeking to dissuade
> > somebody from getting a college degree if that is their inclination,
> > however.  Every edge you can get as a blind person should be pursued if
> > possible.  Rather, I am also making the point that there are other, less
> > time consuming proofs of proficiency which can be obtained that can
> > serve as a substitute in certain fields when coupled with experience if
> > a degree is not a viable plan of action to pursue at the time.  I've met
> > IT professionals who didn't have degrees but did have Cisco, CompTIA,
> > Microsoft and other such certifications who did a fine job at their
> > company and made pretty decent money.
> > > Of course, if you are hiring a molecular biologist, actuary, lawyer or
> > > neurosurgeon, or if you are looking for someone to design your
> > > building, ensure the structural soundness of it or make sure the
> > > company you will be running in it does so within the confines of your
> > > state or country's laws, you really want to get some degreed
> > > professionals as those are pretty specialized jobs that can't be
> > > learned in the six months or year that it would take someone to get a
> > > non-college certification.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that I find degrees to be
> > > useless or unimportant.  They are neither.  They are also not the only
> > > indicators of someone's potential to do a good job at an organization
> > > though.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Alex M
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of John
> > > Heim
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:19 AM
> > > To: B. Henry; orca-list gnome org
> > > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ot: does anyone have a certification from the
> > > Linux foundation?
> > >
> > > Right, believe me, I understand that you have to play the hand life
> > > deals you. I've gotten into that debate on other lists as well. Far
> > > too many blind people think that if anyone isn't as successful as they
> > > are, it's their own fault. It doesn't matter what level of success
> > > that is. I have seen guys on SSDI trash other  people for being on
> > > SSDI. I'm not doing that. I just want to fight this perception that a
> > > college degree isn't particularly useful. That is just totally wrong.
> > > If you want to get into a STEM field (science, technology,
> > > engineering, and mathematics), a degree is very important.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 03/09/2016 04:33 PM, B. Henry wrote:
> > > > The problem is that some folks just could not swing it for one reason
> > > > or another, and how to go back to college both time and money wise
> > > > later in life can be very challenging to say the least.
> > > > Not finishing highschool is pretty dumb in most cases, and if you are
> > > > bright enough to not need it then you should be able to finish an
> > > > adult ed highschool program in weeks I'd think.
> > > > Anyway, the only reason I even chimed in on this at all is that I did
> > > > hear reports, think on business news about several major companies
> > > > dropping degree requirements for many positions. I'm talking mjor
> > > > i.t. players, but do not remember which ones.
> > > > Come to think of it they may have been talking more developers/coders
> > > > than admins also, and I can see where it'd be more likely that someone
> > > > might not pick up on some of the skills they need on their own when
> > > > it comes to some aspects of administration. The sikill set is a bit
> > > > more diverse than that for programming I'd say.
> > > --
> > > John Heim
> > > john johnheim com
> > >
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