Joanie, to be clear, you're saying you can't hear the difference between the current behavior and this attached patch, which is how my fork differs from origin/master? This is what I'm currently using and I can definitely hear a difference, so I want to ensure we're all on the same page.
On 06/29/2016 12:27 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
Peter: This is what I am trying to ascertain with my question. And this is what I was thinking. But Chrys' answer to my question wasn't that she didn't recognize the differences between his and Nolan's versions, but that she couldn't identify the new value of the progress bar. Which I interpret to mean Nolan's patch made it worse for her. Chrys: As someone who could not hear the differences between the two versions, I'm a little surprised by your response. Nolan's patch really made things worse for her? --joanie On 06/29/2016 01:22 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:Hello, I think it's worth noting Nolan's improvement does break nothing and adds better consistency for those being able to take advantage of that. Greetings Peter Dňa 29. júna 2016 19:20:20 používateľ chrys87 web de napísal:Hi Joanie, Its hard to identify the new value here. I think there are better ways for not so musical trained people. Cheers chrys Am Mi. Juni 29 20:08:58 2016 GMT+0300 schrieb Joanmarie Diggs:Hey Chrys. When you say she didn't recognize big differences, do you mean she could not tell the difference between your version and Nolan's? Or do you mean that Nolan's version made it harder for her to identify the new value of the progress bar? --joanie On 06/29/2016 11:10 AM, chrys87 web de wrote:I think belling two beeps is too much beeping around XD. The octave ting is not interesring to non musicals. I tested itmonths ago with my girl. She didnt recogniced big differences.I think more helpful is panning or an other idea is to bell alwasthe same Frequenzy that just get more quite. So you know how far the beep is away from muting.Am Mi. Juni 29 18:21:35 2016 GMT+0300 schrieb Janina Sajka:At the risk of suddently sending far too many emails on thistopic, letme try my own answer out on you ... I think he's saying, I know I'm saying ... Speaking is a second class choice. There's a richer, less invasive choice that will communicate intuitively even to people who can't explain why it communicates intuitively. It means mapping a seris of musical intervals to a set of defined percentage complete settings, e.g. An arbitrary set for purposes of elucidation ... 20% e-c 40% f-c 60% g-c 80% a-c 90% b-c 100% c-c The letter pitches are not important. The relationship from thefirst tosecond would clearly need to be provided as specific Hz values. I feel I should attach an mp3 or something. Trust me, it works! Janina Joanmarie Diggs writes:Hey Fernando. I'm a little confused. Are you saying that instead of speakingprogressbar percentages via speech-dispatcher (which Orca has done for many years), Orca should instead speak them via espeak? Or are you saying that Orca isn't speaking progress bars? If the latter, and if you're sure that you have that setting enabled and have selected anappropriateinterval and source (all, current app, current window), then thatsoundslike a bug to me and I'd like specific steps to reproduce theproblem.Thanks! --joanie On 06/29/2016 09:46 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote:I remember hearing progress beeps on NVDA and also being prettylost, asi did not know how high they were supposed to go. I wish both Orca and NVDA could give just a percentage viaespeak, or ifbeeping is a must, then alternate between current stage andfinal beep.So if final beep were 400hz., then beep alternating 300hz 400hz,310hz400hz, 320hz 400hz, 330hz 400hz, and so forth. Best, Fernando On 06/29/2016 10:36 AM, Devin Prater wrote:I’d like progress beeps that pan from left to right instead ofusingpitch, because most of the time I don’t know exactly how high the pitch goes. Sent from my Mac. Devin Prater r d t prater gmail comOn Jun 29, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com>wrote:Hello, I have looked at the issue you have linked to and I am somewhat shocked that Nolan's patch has been put aside with somewhat disrespectfull attitude. To us non musicians or not very sensitive to individual tones it might appear as something what may not be needed however Iknow somepeople who might really benefit from having clean predictablelikeimplementation Nolan has suggested. Can you Chrys and Joanie get back to that please andreconsider it?Greetings Peter On 29.06.2016 at 11:55 chrys87 web de <mailto:chrys87 web de>wrote:Hi Joanie, Hi List, I did some finetuning on the progressbar beeps caused by userrequests. You could find them attached on that ticket: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328 <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758328> I made two changes: 1. make the beeps more short. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330508 <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330508> 2. Ignore Interval for the beeps. That only make sense forOutputthat needs "time to present". People like to activate both;Beepsfor an progess gues, the voice/ braile output for precise information in big intervals. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330509 <https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=330509> What does others think about that here? cheers chrys _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org <mailto:orca-list gnome org> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list <https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list> Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca <https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca> Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ <https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/> GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html <https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/>_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.htmlLog bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org-- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina asterisk rednote net Email: janina rednote net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative(WAI)Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide:https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.htmlLog bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.or-- Gesendet von meinem Jolla _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Orca wiki: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca Orca documentation: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/ GNOME Universal Access guide: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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