Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of apps

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

hi
Wxwidgets accessibility on linux has long been a problem. Personally
what I think should be done is to address the accessibility bugs in the
wxwidgets toolkit itself, which will then make a lot of things
accessible on linux which weren't. There are issues in the
implementation on linux and mac that don't exist on windows, which is
windows appears more accessible. There are opened bugs against this, I
can't remember the numbers off hand but they don't seem to be getting
any interest from the wx community. No one there has told me to "just
use windows" but it seems to be being implied when the bugs aren't
getting fixed.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


Peter Vágner wrote:
> Hello,
>
> When it comes to Audacity a few things I have noticed over the years
> and there is a bit of good news even recently.
> The big news is that on jan 20 2016 version 2.1.2 has been released.
> In this version wxwidgets is upgraded from 2.8 to 3.0 which should
> hopefully address some of the accessibility issues on linux.
> I have briefly tested this new update and some of the things appear to
> be addressed and some little ones are introduced.
> For example radio buttons are now labelled on the selection toolbar.
> Unfortunatelly it is no longer possible to focus the control holding
> the length or a selection time value on the selection toolbar. This is
> a showstopper for me since I was used to having access to this control
> on windows.
> The table holding list of tracks is not made accessible magically
> again on windows this is working.
> Controls in the preferences dialog don't appear to be correctly
> labelled although I think it has been taken care of on Windows.
> You know audacity accessibility hero used to be Dominic Mazzoni before
> he moved to Google and now there is a clever developer happy to
> address accessibility related issues Leland Lucius. A few years ago I
> can remember him discussing accessibility matters at the NVDA email
> list. Back in the days he was even using NVDA and jaws to compare how
> well audacity is working with both these.
> I would say audacity developers are fine with listening and even doing
> a little on their own if they can address accessibility issues.
> Shortcomings we are seeing on linux are inherited from wxwidgets and
> lists, tables treeviews, spinners and other a bit complex controls
> don't have proper ATK support implemented at its side, so unless
> audacity guys have to take over wxwidgets or wxgtk or whatever, there
> is not much magic they are able to do.
> I would say for a beginner developer making wxgtk more accessible
> would be a huge task.
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
>
> On 21.02.2016 at 21:49 B. Henry wrote:
> > BTW, I like the idea of fixing audacity, and linphone.
> > I mostly use the cli interface to linphone, but have had to write
> > scripts to improve it/no accessability issues there though. The GTK
> > linphone interface
> > is so close/would love to see it get where it should be.
> > Rhythmbox some times seems hard to move around in, but I can't put
> > exact issues in to words off the top of my head as I don't use it
> > much because of the
> > issues I can't pstate very clearly at the moment.
> > Gpodder: a fine program, under steady development/lead dev sounds
> > like a nice guy. I wonder if there could be an easy fix to the
> > constant reporting of
> > download progress that makes using the program once d-loads have
> > started a pain, a few other things could be done to improve its
> > usability with Orca as
> > well, but would need to spend some time with a sighted person wtching
> > the screen to know how much can and can't be accessed with a mouse at
> > certain
> > times as the interface is reported differently depending on whether
> > or not updates have been just done or if one has downloaded or
> > otherwise interacted
> > since last update check.
> >     
>
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