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Re: [orca-list] The new Hypra website

Before reading any more, understand that I am not demeaning anyone, nor judging anyopnes personal choices, 
only suggesting that we all try and put 
ourselves in other ppls' positions. 

...
And you do not have a payed job that requires you to do things that you can not do with the available FOS 
solutions. 
As far as I know you do not have kids that depend on you for more money than you'd have with out that job.
It is hard enough for a "disabled" person to get work much, perhaps most of the time, and while in some 
countries there are laws and gov programs that help 
out a lot, there are often conditions placed on a blind worker that make life harder than it needs to be.  
Besides all of this, we should not expect an 
employer to let us get equal pay for less work, and if we can't read something because our FOS OCR engine is 
not doing a good enough job then we may not be 
able to complete our work as sighted colleagues do.
There are serious issues that we need to address such as NVDA not being tested/approved for use in many work 
places that require their blind workers to use 
jaws even if NVDA can do everything needed. 
We also need to promote the use of Linux in work places where folks  must BYOD, (brind your own device), i.e. 
some of those places make you use your own 
hardware, but you can only use approved devices. Folks have successfully fought to use their i-shtuff in many 
work places, so lets do the same thing for 
Linux and Linux using devices. 

Lastly let me say that one can work for the best solution while making a stopgap measu;re available meantime 
just as we do not tell people with severe 
heart disease that they must not recieve treatment now because the best solutions is a heart transplant. You 
give them the treatment that is required to 
keep them alive while waiting for the heart to become available. 
 Regards,

-- 
     B.H.
   Registerd Linux User 521886


  kendell clark wrote:
Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 06:19:03AM -0500


hi


I'm sorry, but I just can't agree with that. That's the same logic that gets
people to stick with and continue to use windows. I'd love to switch to
linux but the non free stuff is just too easy. I'd be the last person to say
linux is always easy, but it takes developers to close the gap. If
proprietary OCR is indeed better, then we need developers to fix the open
source stuff so that's no longer the case. I don't buy the common excuses
taht go along with logic like this either, reasons like "it takes money to
make accessibility better." Developers need to be paid, I'm not disputing
that, but I just don't see the logic hear. We don't need thousands or
millions of dollars to be poured into open source to make it better, we need
better code. Thus,  more people. Maybe that's where the money argument comes
from I don't know. It seems to me that hypra is running up against the same
wall I usually run up against. It seems a simple problem. Open source, open
code, people will fix the problem. Instead of that happening, people like to
complain about how much work it is, or how it's not fair why do they have to
do all this accessibility work when they'd much rather do something else.
There are developers, like joanie, who don't quibble, they just write the
code. They're a minority. The rest seem to want me to give them a reason why
they should do the work. Hear's your reason. Because people are disabled,
they need that work done. They don't need you complaining about how it's not
fair or that it's a lot of work, they need you to write the code. End of
story. Not a very sympothetic outlook, but my sympothy got burned out after
I had to listen to enough developers complain. It sounds like hypra wants to
improve the linux experience. I'm all for that. But the way to do it is not
to invite a blind industry to come in and take up residence. We do that and
we'll be no different than windows or OSX. We need open source code, where
companies contribute without trying to find a loophole to exploit. I'd
gladly welcome companies such as freedom scientific and humanware into the
open source world. So long as they cooperated with developers and played by
the rules and didn't try to pull a fast one, like opening up part of their
stuff but not others, supporting only certain distros, there are a thousand
things they could do.
Thanks
Kendell Clark

On 08/25/2016 06:07 AM, John Covici wrote:

OCR is much more complicated and therefore a non free solution might
be better, just because people will have lots more time to work on
it.  I don't know what they are proposing here, but ocr is one of
those things where volunteer efforts sometimes leave something to be
desired.

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 06:30:41 -0400,
kendell clark wrote:

hi

I haven't read the goals of hypra, I want to make that clear. But
based on what kyle says I have to agree with him. Fix the
available open source stuff, like espeak, which desperately needs
people. I do what I can but I'm only one person. Begging
proprietary companies to for example update eloquence for linux
will probably please a few people who won't use anything else but
it won't do a thing for espeak. Instead of asking a company to
make a proprietary expensive OCR package like kirzwale, god I
hope I'm not mangling that one too horribly, available for linux,
concentrate on either improving the open source OCR engines like
teseract and kuniform or write another one. My opinion can
basically be summed up as rather than trying to make linux into
windows by adding non free code, make it better by writing free
code and improving the existing stuff we have now. It's not easy,
this I know first hand from trying to get people who don't use
linux interested in it but people will find us eventually. That's
something I've also learned. I don't have to preach and
procilitize, people will find linux when they get tired of
whatever OS they use. Until then they will often refuse to listen
to you, make excuses for your reasons, and generally make you
want to crawl into a hole and never come out. Talk to fudge or
luke one of these days if you think I'm exagerating.

Thanks
Kendell Clark

On 08/25/2016 05:13 AM, Kyle wrote:

We already have complete free software solutions for both ocr
and speech synthesis. Along with improving accessibility of
applications and desktop environments, it would be better to
improve and suggest bug fixes for the free software ocr and
speech synthesis solutions we already have rather than relying
on the proprietarianists to keep their software updated and
maintained,. It would seem that the overall goal here is to
help the community at large, and improving existing free
software will go much further toward that goal than serving
proprietary interests ever could. Just my thoughts, thanks for
reading.
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