Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

hi
I can agree with you about the often less than enthusiastic level of
service by the vr councelors I've had. Of course, back when I used such
agencies I didn't use linux, or know anything about it, but the
bureaucracy gets tiring after a while. If you want anything, it'll be
six months, then an evaluation meeting to make sure you actually "need"
whatever it is you want so we can try to convince you to go with
something cheaper, then another six months for the paperwork. Once you
finally get your equipment, you never truly own it. You have to keep up
with their criteria or they can take it back at any time. This has
nothing to do with orca though so I'll stop there.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 09/09/2015 04:24 PM, Victor Lawrence wrote:
> As I have mentioned before, I have received a refreshable Braille
> display and other equipment from my state vocational rehabilitation
> agency for my job and I am not a blind entitlement baby.  Sadly,
> vocational rehabilitation agencies are often shortsighted and
> inefficient.  That's why I agree that these agencies should help fund
> the development and distribution of free open-source software and
> other low-cost solutions for the blind and other disabled.
>
> Before anyone gets mad at me for criticizing VR agencies, even I
> realize that there are many good VR counsellors who are often
> overwhelmed by the number of clients and the bureaucracy they face.
>
> VictorOn 9/4/15, kk <krmane gmail com> wrote:
> > I feel in a country like mine(India ) there is hardly such a thing cald
> > entitlement baby.
> > And I think to much spoon feeding from government not just spoils the
> > beneficiaries but the entire community.
> > I agree that instead of giving costly Jaws and other stuff and waisting
> > tax payer's money, active eferts should be made to promote development
> > of technologies, of the people for the people by the people.
> > This keeps the dignity intact and a sence of confidence amongst the
> > people around about blind community also changes.
> > Living on charity, weather government or private is not always correct.
> > Why can't blind community be made productive not just for their own
> > selves but also for the rest of their nations and societies?
> > And actually asking why can't is also wrong, because they actually are.
> > So if there is indeed a concept of government entitlement babies it is
> > really wrong and dangerous.
> > Happy hacking.
> > Krishnakant.
> >
> > On Saturday 05 September 2015 06:22 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > > I agree with John on this one. I have a refreshable braille display
> > > that I acquired myself, and to think that someone considers me a blind
> > > entitlement baby based on just this one fact is offensive. On the
> > > other hand, do I really care what someone who would so
> > > indiscriminately and unapologetically use such a term on a public list
> > > thinks of me?
> > >
> > > On 09/04/2015 02:06 PM, Kyle wrote:
> > > > According to John Heim:
> > > > # You should apologize for using the term "blind government
> > > > # entitlement babies". That's offensive.
> > > >
> > > > Um, no. Are you a blind government entitlement baby? If not, then you
> > > > have no reason to be offended, as I wasn't talking to you. Blind
> > > > government entitlement babies are some sorry people, and are offensive
> > > > to me, not to mention how offensive the companies are who can get away
> > > > with charging an arm and a leg and a couple of teeth because the
> > > > entitlement babies piss and moan until the government pays the high
> > > > price of their screen readers and notetakers. These same people are the
> > > > ones who want Jaws, Kerzweil , their Windows computer and a braille
> > > > display handed to them instead of putting just a little bit of their
> > > > money, maybe even as little as 5 or 10 dollars, into supporting free
> > > > and open source screen readers and operating systems, as well as the
> > > > development of open source hardware, which could help them a lot more.
> > > > Or if they have no money, they could be putting whatever time and skill
> > > > they have into making improvements to the software, reporting bugs,
> > > > making reasonable suggestions, coding, etc, improving things for
> > > > everyone including themselves.
> > > >
> > > > Of course the flip side to this is the fact that the government, along
> > > > with the blindy companies and the so-called advocacy organizations make
> > > > all this happen, as they continually pay the high prices for inferior
> > > > hardware and software and tell us we need it, rather than putting money
> > > > and people behind development and improvement of the freedom hardware
> > > > and software that would help everyone a lot more. And yes, in case you
> > > > were wondering, I was once such an entitlement baby. The government
> > > > even paid for a braille display for my job, which they told me I
> > > > needed, which cost at that time, roughly 18 years ago, about the same
> > > > price as a car. Just a few years later, when I wanted to go to school
> > > > for computer science, the government agency told me I didn't need an
> > > > $800 laptop, even though I already had the screen reader, but that I
> > > > could have a $1500 braille 'n speak instead, . I also was once a member
> > > > of one of those blindy organizations, and was even the president of my
> > > > local chapter. I saw much of this kind of thing there. My state chapter
> > > > had nearly 2 million dollars tucked away in a bank, didn't put so much
> > > > as a penny toward helping anyone for real. They only gave 2 people
> > > > scholarships each year and bought them a copy of some high priced
> > > > software to put on the computer that they bought for them, all the
> > > > while reinforcing the idea that we all need this mess to do our jobs
> > > > and to make our way through the cruel cruel world. And after all this,
> > > > we still have a 75 to 80% rate of unemployment, even with all the fancy
> > > > schmancy stuff that costs too much. So I do know how the system works,
> > > > and yes, this is offensive to me as well. This is why I help people out
> > > > who want a better way of doing things. This is why I support hardware
> > > > and software freedom by promoting it, building it and helping people
> > > > use it.
> > > > Sent from my pufferfish
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