Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

["Glenn" <glennervin cableone net>]

Alex,
Those are all good approaches, as I personally can access many methods of 
information such as you mentioned.
But for example, most of the folks I work with use Windows, and they cannot 
even open a web page, so the medium needs to be offered in some other 
medium.
I would like to see the various distros selling tutorials on CD and on NLS 
cartridges, hopefully at a cost of not much more than it takes to produce 
them.
The various distros often sell DVDs of the live version, and they should 
include the option of audio getting started disks as well.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Midence" <alex midence gmail com>
To: "'Glenn'" <GlennErvin cableone net>; "'Al Sten-Clanton'" 
<albert e sten_clanton verizon net>; <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed


I get that many of them don't read braille.  Electronic copies don't have to 
be read with braille.  They can be done as epubs that go into smartphones, 
note takers or any other device they can use to read through written 
material.  Most people won't be playing the tutorial or reading the manual 
to a software on the same platform they want to use that software on. 
They'll use a medium they are already familiar with to do some preliminary 
virtual reconnaissance and then practice on the new device or software. 
I'll give you an example of what I mean:

In 2011, I wrote a brief guide for people to get their feet wet with 
Emacspeak.  I published it in html format with the folks at Vinux and 
submitted it in this format to Dr. Raman so that people could explore it 
using a screen reader they already knew before they launched Emacspeak. 
This enabled them to have some idea of what to do before they were placed in 
the unfamiliar environment
Of Emacspeak and let them search for information they wanted so they didn't 
have to read through the whole thing later if they wanted to remind 
themselves of something.  It was well received by many of the people on the 
mailing list I originally posted it to because it took this approach.  I 
don't think they were all braille readers either.  Written material has its 
place in tutorials when in electronic format.

Hope this made sense,
Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn [mailto:glennervin cableone net]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:55 PM
To: Alex Midence; 'Al Sten-Clanton'; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

I work in rehab, and sadly, most people who use a screenreader do not know 
Braille.
If I had to guess, I'd say over 90% of screenreader users don't know 
Braille.
Remember that there are adults who lose their sight that do not want to 
learn Braille.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Midence" <alex midence gmail com>
To: "'Al Sten-Clanton'" <albert e sten_clanton verizon net>; "'Glenn'"
<GlennErvin cableone net>; <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed


I think there should be a companion text but written material can't be the 
only medium because not everyone reads braille.  An electronic text
(softcopy) should be the way to go as far as that for them to review with a 
screen reader they already know.  The audio lessons are absolutely great 
though.  You might even go so far as to install a copy of Ilias, Moodle or 
Chamilo on a server and create an online learning solution.  I've often 
toyed with that idea for Orca but I've hesitated because I just don't have 
the time to dedicate to it properly.  I'd go with Ilias if I ever did it 
because it has a built-in point of sale module.  You'd have to assemble a 
team to deploy the software (not too hard if you understand setting up a 
lamp stack) and then creating the courses with certain portions assigned to 
particular individuals.  Some people write better than they speak and so on.
Then, you need to create processes for ensuring it all keeps going and gets 
updated and so on.

Just some thoughts,
Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Al 
Sten-Clanton
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:01 AM
To: Glenn; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

Why not use written material, which allows any spelling and punctuation they 
need to do?

Al

On 09/04/2015 10:58 AM, Glenn wrote:
> Hi Tony and All,
> Thanks for offering some links, and I will keep them for sure, but in
> this instance, I think I will need to find something up-to-date, and
> for Orca users.
> This is a problem on all platforms.
> I have been looking for such podcasts for IOS and Android for my
> clients, and there are podcasts on various apps, or navigating with
> Safari for example, but there needs to be something for just getting
> started.
> Many of my clients have a hard time using the same device to listen
> from and work with at the same time.
> I like to put training material onto a NLS cartridge for them, and
> that way they can easily control the audio material.
> Glenn
>
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