Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

[Alex Midence <alex midence gmail com>]

I get that many of them don't read braille.  Electronic copies don't have to be read with braille.  They can 
be done as epubs that go into smartphones, note takers or any other device they can use to read through 
written material.  Most people won't be playing the tutorial or reading the manual to a software on the same 
platform they want to use that software on.  They'll use a medium they are already familiar with to do some 
preliminary virtual reconnaissance and then practice on the new device or software.  I'll give you an example 
of what I mean:

In 2011, I wrote a brief guide for people to get their feet wet with Emacspeak.  I published it in html 
format with the folks at Vinux and submitted it in this format to Dr. Raman so that people could explore it 
using a screen reader they already knew before they launched Emacspeak.  This enabled them to have some idea 
of what to do before they were placed in the unfamiliar environment 
Of Emacspeak and let them search for information they wanted so they didn't have to read through the whole 
thing later if they wanted to remind themselves of something.  It was well received by many of the people on 
the mailing list I originally posted it to because it took this approach.  I don't think they were all 
braille readers either.  Written material has its place in tutorials when in electronic format.  

Hope this made sense,
Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn [mailto:glennervin cableone net] 
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:55 PM
To: Alex Midence; 'Al Sten-Clanton'; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

I work in rehab, and sadly, most people who use a screenreader do not know Braille.
If I had to guess, I'd say over 90% of screenreader users don't know Braille.
Remember that there are adults who lose their sight that do not want to learn Braille.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Midence" <alex midence gmail com>
To: "'Al Sten-Clanton'" <albert e sten_clanton verizon net>; "'Glenn'" 
<GlennErvin cableone net>; <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed


I think there should be a companion text but written material can't be the only medium because not everyone 
reads braille.  An electronic text
(softcopy) should be the way to go as far as that for them to review with a screen reader they already know.  
The audio lessons are absolutely great though.  You might even go so far as to install a copy of Ilias, 
Moodle or Chamilo on a server and create an online learning solution.  I've often toyed with that idea for 
Orca but I've hesitated because I just don't have the time to dedicate to it properly.  I'd go with Ilias if 
I ever did it because it has a built-in point of sale module.  You'd have to assemble a team to deploy the 
software (not too hard if you understand setting up a lamp stack) and then creating the courses with certain 
portions assigned to particular individuals.  Some people write better than they speak and so on. 
Then, you need to create processes for ensuring it all keeps going and gets updated and so on.

Just some thoughts,
Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Al Sten-Clanton
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:01 AM
To: Glenn; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

Why not use written material, which allows any spelling and punctuation they need to do?

Al

On 09/04/2015 10:58 AM, Glenn wrote:
> Hi Tony and All,
> Thanks for offering some links, and I will keep them for sure, but in 
> this instance, I think I will need to find something up-to-date, and 
> for Orca users.
> This is a problem on all platforms.
> I have been looking for such podcasts for IOS and Android for my 
> clients, and there are podcasts on various apps, or navigating with 
> Safari for example, but there needs to be something for just getting 
> started.
> Many of my clients have a hard time using the same device to listen 
> from and work with at the same time.
> I like to put training material onto a NLS cartridge for them, and 
> that way they can easily control the audio material.
> Glenn
>
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