Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

[Alex Midence <alex midence gmail com>]

Orca tutorials on CD are much more likely than those on NLS cartridges because Orca and the distros it's on 
are internationally used whereas NLS cartridges are issued by the Library of Congress for the United States.  
Thumb drives are a possibility though.  I don't see them up for sale though.  It just doesn't really work 
that way.  I can envision download pages with links to download the lessons to audio cd's but not actual cd's 
sold to people any more than you see them selling cd's of the distribution all that much.  Some do, some 
don't but the overwhelming majority of users download the .iso images onto cd's locally and then use them 
that way.  Eliminates all the production-related logistical headaches.

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn [mailto:glennervin cableone net] 
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:23 PM
To: Alex Midence; 'Al Sten-Clanton'; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

Alex,
Those are all good approaches, as I personally can access many methods of information such as you mentioned.
But for example, most of the folks I work with use Windows, and they cannot even open a web page, so the 
medium needs to be offered in some other medium.
I would like to see the various distros selling tutorials on CD and on NLS cartridges, hopefully at a cost of 
not much more than it takes to produce them.
The various distros often sell DVDs of the live version, and they should include the option of audio getting 
started disks as well.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Midence" <alex midence gmail com>
To: "'Glenn'" <GlennErvin cableone net>; "'Al Sten-Clanton'" 
<albert e sten_clanton verizon net>; <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed


I get that many of them don't read braille.  Electronic copies don't have to be read with braille.  They can 
be done as epubs that go into smartphones, note takers or any other device they can use to read through 
written material.  Most people won't be playing the tutorial or reading the manual to a software on the same 
platform they want to use that software on. 
They'll use a medium they are already familiar with to do some preliminary virtual reconnaissance and then 
practice on the new device or software. 
I'll give you an example of what I mean:

In 2011, I wrote a brief guide for people to get their feet wet with Emacspeak.  I published it in html 
format with the folks at Vinux and submitted it in this format to Dr. Raman so that people could explore it 
using a screen reader they already knew before they launched Emacspeak. 
This enabled them to have some idea of what to do before they were placed in the unfamiliar environment Of 
Emacspeak and let them search for information they wanted so they didn't have to read through the whole thing 
later if they wanted to remind themselves of something.  It was well received by many of the people on the 
mailing list I originally posted it to because it took this approach.  I don't think they were all braille 
readers either.  Written material has its place in tutorials when in electronic format.

Hope this made sense,
Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn [mailto:glennervin cableone net]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:55 PM
To: Alex Midence; 'Al Sten-Clanton'; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

I work in rehab, and sadly, most people who use a screenreader do not know Braille.
If I had to guess, I'd say over 90% of screenreader users don't know Braille.
Remember that there are adults who lose their sight that do not want to learn Braille.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Midence" <alex midence gmail com>
To: "'Al Sten-Clanton'" <albert e sten_clanton verizon net>; "'Glenn'"
<GlennErvin cableone net>; <orca-list gnome org>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed


I think there should be a companion text but written material can't be the only medium because not everyone 
reads braille.  An electronic text
(softcopy) should be the way to go as far as that for them to review with a screen reader they already know.  
The audio lessons are absolutely great though.  You might even go so far as to install a copy of Ilias, 
Moodle or Chamilo on a server and create an online learning solution.  I've often toyed with that idea for 
Orca but I've hesitated because I just don't have the time to dedicate to it properly.  I'd go with Ilias if 
I ever did it because it has a built-in point of sale module.  You'd have to assemble a team to deploy the 
software (not too hard if you understand setting up a lamp stack) and then creating the courses with certain 
portions assigned to particular individuals.  Some people write better than they speak and so on.
Then, you need to create processes for ensuring it all keeps going and gets updated and so on.

Just some thoughts,
Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of Al Sten-Clanton
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:01 AM
To: Glenn; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Podcasts and/or audio tutorials needed

Why not use written material, which allows any spelling and punctuation they need to do?

Al

On 09/04/2015 10:58 AM, Glenn wrote:
> Hi Tony and All,
> Thanks for offering some links, and I will keep them for sure, but in 
> this instance, I think I will need to find something up-to-date, and 
> for Orca users.
> This is a problem on all platforms.
> I have been looking for such podcasts for IOS and Android for my 
> clients, and there are podcasts on various apps, or navigating with 
> Safari for example, but there needs to be something for just getting 
> started.
> Many of my clients have a hard time using the same device to listen 
> from and work with at the same time.
> I like to put training material onto a NLS cartridge for them, and 
> that way they can easily control the audio material.
> Glenn
>
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