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Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

I think I made the point fairly clearly that no, everyone can't be expected to be a coder, but there are many 
less technical things that users can to to 
contribute, and part of the trade off one gets using Linux is the expectation that a significant percentage 
of users will do something to help out 
Linux, and specifically Linux accessibility in our case, a higher percentage than will contribute to a cash 
up front proprietary system such as 
windows. 
Of course most people will nmot give anything back, but the more people who do the better off we will be 
obviously, and just on this list I know of 
quite a few people who do something to advance our cause.
Supporting new users is one of the things that folks who ar not that tech savvy can do to help out. 
If I'd recived the level of support learning Windows that I got when I started out with Linux I'd have been a 
much better Windows user. The one place 
where I saw people trying was on the NVDA mailing list back when NVDA first broke out from being a marginal 
alternative to the comercial screenreaderes 
and became a practical replacement for those expensive pieces of kit for many users.




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  Devin Prater wrote:
Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 04:04:23PM -0500


That may just be good enough, not too expensive either. But you'd have to have good documentation though, 
maybe when it starts up you could have it load a file for beginners or something. But this wouldn't 
strictly be for advanced people either though.

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On Sep 2, 2015, at 3:00 PM, Josh K <joshknnd1982 gmail com> wrote:

I am not a coder. never could really get the hang of it. well I can make little bash scripts that runs 
commands in sequence to do things. that's about it though for me. but if I ever went back to college I 
would get a laptop throw a solid state hard drive into it and make a ubuntu noteTaker out of it probably. 
hmmmmmm, I wonder if I could make a business out of that somehow? laptops with ubuntu linux or maybe 
sonar linux whatever worked on the machine throw in a ssd and a voxin license on top of a stable linux 
distro and sell ubuntu notetakers? It could be a business opportunity for me? if it works?

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982


On 9/2/2015 10:22 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
The problem is that not everyone can be expected to know how to code. If Linux is only for coders, which 
its not, considering all the little games out there for it, then I'm sure most sighted Linux users would 
have put the OS down years ago. You can't expect everyone to be coders and be able to fix accessibility 
problems.'

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On Sep 2, 2015, at 6:55 AM, kk <krmane gmail com> wrote:




Often we see that some part of the accessibility stack or the other gets broken  inadvertently
Imagine what would happen if for example some day for some time the accessibility of our settings panel 
in gnome is broken for some reason?
It will be fixed sooner or later but till then what will happen?
We will have no access to orca preference itself.
The case of accessibility is different.
We certainly need a way out and Orca accessibility in all aspects is crucial.  So we must have a 
dedicated hot key for accessing Orca prefs.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

On Wednesday 02 September 2015 04:45 PM, Tony Baechler wrote:
On 9/1/2015 10:24 AM, B. Henry wrote:
Well, it's not unreasonalble to ask users to read a bit of documentation to learn a keystroke or two 
when trying a new desktop, but unless I'm missing
something folks like myself who use a window manager such as fluxbox and fill in accessibility gaps 
with custom scripts would be left out in the cold if
an orca prefs window was done away with.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.  I think that in this case, it is unreasonable to expect people to 
be required to read documentation in order to figure out how to set their Orca prefs. That attitude in 
general is why so many people, both blind and sighted, either are put off by Linux, won't try it in 
the first place or give up without ever installing it and giving it a fair chance.  I don't have a 
problem expecting people to read a basic accessibility guide and I agree that once people have learned 
the basics that they should be expected to read the docs, but expecting them to read the docs before 
they even get started is asking too much.  Other than your first statement, I agree with what I think 
you're trying to say.  I think you're agreeing with my previous post on the subject which is that 
regardless of what desktop or window manager, there needs to be a universal keystroke to access the 
Orca prefs.  I don't think people should have to read the docs to find it, ho

 we

 ver.

What would be good is for Orca to open the prefs window automatically when it's started from a live 
environment so people don't have to hunt around to find them.  Maybe could a command line switch like 
--prefs be added for this?  I thought there was already such a switch, but I didn't see it when 
reading "orca --help" on my Ubuntu MATE 15.04 system.
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