Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

[Devin Prater <r d t prater gmail com>]

That may just be good enough, not too expensive either. But you'd have to have good documentation though, 
maybe when it starts up you could have it load a file for beginners or something. But this wouldn't strictly 
be for advanced people either though.

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> On Sep 2, 2015, at 3:00 PM, Josh K <joshknnd1982 gmail com> wrote:
>
> I am not a coder. never could really get the hang of it. well I can make little bash scripts that runs 
> commands in sequence to do things. that's about it though for me. but if I ever went back to college I 
> would get a laptop throw a solid state hard drive into it and make a ubuntu noteTaker out of it probably. 
> hmmmmmm, I wonder if I could make a business out of that somehow? laptops with ubuntu linux or maybe sonar 
> linux whatever worked on the machine throw in a ssd and a voxin license on top of a stable linux distro and 
> sell ubuntu notetakers? It could be a business opportunity for me? if it works?
>
> follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982
>
> > On 9/2/2015 10:22 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
> > The problem is that not everyone can be expected to know how to code. If Linux is only for coders, which 
> > its not, considering all the little games out there for it, then I'm sure most sighted Linux users would 
> > have put the OS down years ago. You can't expect everyone to be coders and be able to fix accessibility 
> > problems.'
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Sep 2, 2015, at 6:55 AM, kk <krmane gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Often we see that some part of the accessibility stack or the other gets broken  inadvertently
> > > Imagine what would happen if for example some day for some time the accessibility of our settings panel 
> > > in gnome is broken for some reason?
> > > It will be fixed sooner or later but till then what will happen?
> > > We will have no access to orca preference itself.
> > > The case of accessibility is different.
> > > We certainly need a way out and Orca accessibility in all aspects is crucial.  So we must have a 
> > > dedicated hot key for accessing Orca prefs.
> > > Happy hacking.
> > > Krishnakant.
> > > > > On Wednesday 02 September 2015 04:45 PM, Tony Baechler wrote:
> > > > > On 9/1/2015 10:24 AM, B. Henry wrote:
> > > > > Well, it's not unreasonalble to ask users to read a bit of documentation to learn a keystroke or two 
> > > > > when trying a new desktop, but unless I'm missing
> > > > > something folks like myself who use a window manager such as fluxbox and fill in accessibility gaps 
> > > > > with custom scripts would be left out in the cold if
> > > > > an orca prefs window was done away with.
> > > > I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.  I think that in this case, it is unreasonable to expect people to be 
> > > > required to read documentation in order to figure out how to set their Orca prefs. That attitude in 
> > > > general is why so many people, both blind and sighted, either are put off by Linux, won't try it in the 
> > > > first place or give up without ever installing it and giving it a fair chance.  I don't have a problem 
> > > > expecting people to read a basic accessibility guide and I agree that once people have learned the 
> > > > basics that they should be expected to read the docs, but expecting them to read the docs before they 
> > > > even get started is asking too much.  Other than your first statement, I agree with what I think you're 
> > > > trying to say.  I think you're agreeing with my previous post on the subject which is that regardless of 
> > > > what desktop or window manager, there needs to be a universal keystroke to access the Orca prefs.  I 
> > > > don't think people should have to read the docs to find it, howe
> >  ver.
> > > > What would be good is for Orca to open the prefs window automatically when it's started from a live 
> > > > environment so people don't have to hunt around to find them.  Maybe could a command line switch like 
> > > > --prefs be added for this?  I thought there was already such a switch, but I didn't see it when reading 
> > > > "orca --help" on my Ubuntu MATE 15.04 system.
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