Re: [orca-list] GUI Redesign or clearup and modernization

[Devin Prater <r d t prater gmail com>]

I wouldn't want eSpeak to sound like Eloquence, and I don't like Windows Ten either. I was just pointing out 
what Linux doesn't have much of. If old seasoned users of Linux cannot have patience with the new people that 
would rather test the waters rather than jump in and possibly drown, then indeed, Linux won't attract new 
users, and therefore won't get much better or gain much more innovation..

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 2, 2015, at 2:30 PM, kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com> wrote:
>
> hi
> Well, I tried. I'm done trying to help people who just won't be reasoned
> with. You want everything windows has, for free. You don't want to have
> to actually work to improve stuff if it's not as polished as you'd like.
> You complain instead. I've used windows 10. Several times. I'm not in
> the least impressed. I've spent four years improving espeak's us english
> in the hope that the whining would stop. Instead, it's changed from
> "espeak sucks" to "I want espeak to sound like eloquence" or "I want a
> commercial human sounding voice because apple and windows have them"
> Yes, they do. But try reading a book with them. That human sounding
> voice doesn't suddenly sound so great. I've said my piece, I'm done. Any
> further messages I see in this thread, I'll delete unless they're from
> joanie or another linux user I actually know. Any windows users can rant
> all they like. I've had enough
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
>
>
> > On 09/02/2015 12:13 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
> > For your slight information, I am not a gov blink. Nope, I actually abhore ADRS for how they destroy 
> > independence. I ordered the Vario Ultra 20 for $2300. And how, may I ask, is Linux accessibility "far 
> > ahead of what we Apple and Windows folk" get? Y'all don't even have a good way of making music, OCR, good 
> > TTS engines, and fewer games than the Mac even has. I find that you Linux fans assume a lot. :)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Sep 2, 2015, at 10:08 AM, Kyle <kyle4jesus gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry for the upcoming rant, but some of this nonsense I'm seeing drove
> > > me to it.
> > >
> > > I can still build an 8-core x86_64 computer for less money than it
> > > currently costs to purchase even the least expensive open source
> > > braille displays, which are still costly prototypes. Once braille
> > > becomes as affordable as say for instance a computer monitor, then
> > > maybe more people will have the means to code for them, and braille
> > > won't be just for lucky blind government entitlement babies anymore.
> > > Until then, braille is always going to be too expensive to get enough
> > > people working on to improve it. Sorry, that's just the way it is. And
> > > no, I didn't use braille back in the days when I had access to Windows
> > > either, because I'm not a blind government baby who expected all the
> > > expensive stuff to be handed to me like I'm entitled to it or
> > > something, which is also why I use Linux now and help where I can to
> > > raise awareness and to contribute where I can to its development and
> > > wider usage by *all* people, not just entitlement blinks. No, Linux
> > > isn't "catching up" as you Microsoft and Apple lovers so eloquently put
> > > it. It's here, and it's far ahead of anything else you could be using.
> > > So get used to it.
> > > Sent from my Cancerian beast
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