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Re: [orca-list] Emacs editor

It works fine with braille as far as output is concerned.  I don't use my braille display for input so, I 
can't speak to that aspect.  I do use it with Espeak and, the only problem I really find that bothers me is 
the voice lock has been broken for about a year and a half now and the main dev appears to have absolutely no 
interest in repairing it.  In a nutshell, it doesn't change pitch or inflection when it is supposed to i.e. 
speaking links, headings, functions or LaTEx sections  in lower voices, using zero inflection for comments, 
that sort of thing.  It's annoying since my Linux box at work running Debian stable and therefore older 
packages works nicely whereas the one I have at home with the newer Espeak and the updated Emacspeak doesn't. 
 And now, I'm bowing out of the thread.  It's quite OT for the Orca list.  

Peter:  Thanks for the compliment on my tutorial.  I'm glad you found it to your liking.

Regards,
Alex M



-----Original Message-----
From: kendell clark [mailto:coffeekingms gmail com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:57 AM
To: Alex Midence; 'Peter Vágner'; 'Devin Prater'; 'orca-list'
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Emacs editor

hi
You can use the same synthesizers with emacspeak that you can with orca, with some exceptions. Actually, more 
correctly that should probably be with different levels of functionality. The best of these is the ibm tts 
speech server, where all sorts of neat things are possible. While espeak support does work, from tv ramen , I 
hope I'm not mangling that too badly, himself, it's not actively maintained and a lot of the advanced stuff 
just doesn't work. It needs someone to add it. I think chris brannon who used to maintain talking arch is 
going to take it over and hopefully bring it up to par. I wonder if emacspeak works with braille displays? I 
don't own one but that would definitely be nice. I never much got around emacs myself. I keep trying to use 
gnome and mate commands to launch applications inside of it, forgetting to press meta-x and type in what I 
want. I also couldn't get the bookshare addon to work. I kept getting a message that I needed a bookshare API 
key, which was a mess I wasn't about to get into.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 10/28/2015 12:19 AM, Alex Midence wrote:

You can use the same speech synths in Emacspeak as well.  I use it with Espeak.  I once heard a Speechd-el 
user say he preferred it to Emacspeak because he could use Festival with it via Speech Dispatcher.  

I tried installing Speechd-el once and absolutely never could get it to work.   Considering the headaches 
once involved with getting Emacspeak to work, that was really saying something.  I totally gave up on it 
and haven't gone back to it for another spin ever since.  

Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of 
kendell clark
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 7:18 AM
To: Peter Vágner; Devin Prater; orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Emacs editor

hi
Afaik this project is abandoned. SPeechd-el, that is. There's no arch package for it in the aur, although 
there used to be. Emacspeak is still under active development. If I'm wrong about speechd-el being 
abandoned I'd be happy to be corrected. I do know that speechd-el does sound interesting. This way I can 
use the same synthesizers that I already have set up in orca. My only concern then would be installing some 
of the addons emacspeak comes with. Bookshare, that kind of thing.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 10/27/2015 06:45 AM, Will Estes wrote:

You should be asking those questions on the mailing list for speech dispatcher.

On Tuesday, 27 October 2015, 12:44 pm +0100, Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:


Hello,

If I can be rude again asking for further hints...
I'm reading speechd-el guide at the install steps here
http://devel.freebsoft.org/doc/speechd-el/speechd-el.html#speechd_00
2 del-User-Manual I can use make compile to bite compile el files to 
elc files however I don't know where emacs loadpatch is.
Is it at /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/ ?
Do I just place el and elc files into this folder or do I have to 
create speechd-el subfolder for it to work?
Where do I put the info file in order to make built-in help working for me?

Greetings

Peter

On 27.10.2015 at 10:22 Will Estes wrote:

speechd-el expects speech dispatcher to be running. Other than that, I don't see any platform specific 
issues -- aside from emacs itself.That question is best directed to the speech dispatcher mailing list.

On Monday, 26 October 2015,  8:17 pm -0500, Devin Prater <r d t prater gmail com> wrote:


Hello, could speechdl be compiled and used within other unix systems, like the Mac?

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 26, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Will Estes <westes575 gmail com> wrote:

All the active development on emacspeak is on adding functionality that is emacspeak specific and 
generally not needed. It's also, often, things that would be better handled outside of the "screen 
reading" component. When I last used emacspeak, I found its build process fragile and opaque.

speechd-el, on the other hand, simply lets emacs be emacs -- just with speech output. So you're not 
remembering additional screen reader specific commands other than the basics to make speech output the 
way you ened it.

There is a good tutorial inside emacs itself. speechd-el explains how to get it up and running inside 
emacs -- which you could do outside of emacs using another editor if you'd rather. Although the trick 
about using emacs in non-windowing mode mentioned on the list earlier is workable, certainly as a 
starting point.


On Monday, 26 October 2015,  1:34 pm +0100, Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:

Hello,

I think emacs is really powerfull editor.

Can some of you knowing it better either give a few words on why 
you prefer speechd-el over emacspeak or the other way round?
It appears emacspeak is more active developed than speechd-el.

Also is there a howto for beginers and noobs looking at learning this?

Greetings

Peter


On 26.10.2015 at 09:16 Alex ARNAUD wrote:

On 25/10/2015 22:48, Mike Dupont wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacspeak check out emacspeak it 
is supposed to be very good and also allows for access to other things.

There are also speechd-el. You can find information here :
http://devel.freebsoft.org/speechd-el

I use this line in my bashrc to make Emacs in CLI automatically :
alias emacs='emacs -nw'

Best regards,
Alex.
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