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Re: [orca-list] Emacs editor

Hello,
A few days ago Alex Midence posted an excelent introduction to emacsspeak. By reading that howto I realized he was using eSpeak so I don't think it's that non functional or something to that effect. At the other hand by reading comments from others including Christopher Chaltain and Will Estes I have decided to try out speechd-el. According to its website and documentation speechd-el also handles braille input and output as compared to emacsspeak. Its latest release has been published about a month ago. I discovered that in fact running speechd-el from git directly connects to the current user's speech-dispatcher by default so for me starting experimenting with this git master build of speechd-el appears to be easier. I do have it currently running here, I am exploring it, mostly reading info pages and definatelly for running on lower specs devices it is going to be even more usefull enviromment than lightweight desktops such as mate or xfce. Incidentally I've found a project by some clever developer embracing all the emacs features trying to develop universal platform on top of this. See its description at: http://doc.rix.si/cce/cce.html 

Greetings

Peter


On 28.10.2015 at 09:57 kendell clark wrote:

hi
You can use the same synthesizers with emacspeak that you can with orca,
with some exceptions. Actually, more correctly that should probably be
with different levels of functionality. The best of these is the ibm tts
speech server, where all sorts of neat things are possible. While espeak
support does work, from tv ramen , I hope I'm not mangling that too
badly, himself, it's not actively maintained and a lot of the advanced
stuff just doesn't work. It needs someone to add it. I think chris
brannon who used to maintain talking arch is going to take it over and
hopefully bring it up to par. I wonder if emacspeak works with braille
displays? I don't own one but that would definitely be nice. I never
much got around emacs myself. I keep trying to use gnome and mate
commands to launch applications inside of it, forgetting to press meta-x
and type in what I want. I also couldn't get the bookshare addon to
work. I kept getting a message that I needed a bookshare API key, which
was a mess I wasn't about to get into.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 10/28/2015 12:19 AM, Alex Midence wrote:

You can use the same speech synths in Emacspeak as well.  I use it with Espeak.  I once heard a Speechd-el 
user say he preferred it to Emacspeak because he could use Festival with it via Speech Dispatcher.

I tried installing Speechd-el once and absolutely never could get it to work.   Considering the headaches 
once involved with getting Emacspeak to work, that was really saying something.  I totally gave up on it and 
haven't gone back to it for another spin ever since.

Alex M


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From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of kendell clark
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 7:18 AM
To: Peter Vágner; Devin Prater; orca-list
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Emacs editor

hi
Afaik this project is abandoned. SPeechd-el, that is. There's no arch package for it in the aur, although 
there used to be. Emacspeak is still under active development. If I'm wrong about speechd-el being abandoned 
I'd be happy to be corrected. I do know that speechd-el does sound interesting. This way I can use the same 
synthesizers that I already have set up in orca. My only concern then would be installing some of the addons 
emacspeak comes with. Bookshare, that kind of thing.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 10/27/2015 06:45 AM, Will Estes wrote:

You should be asking those questions on the mailing list for speech dispatcher.

On Tuesday, 27 October 2015, 12:44 pm +0100, Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:


Hello,

If I can be rude again asking for further hints...
I'm reading speechd-el guide at the install steps here
http://devel.freebsoft.org/doc/speechd-el/speechd-el.html#speechd_002
del-User-Manual I can use make compile to bite compile el files to
elc files however I don't know where emacs loadpatch is.
Is it at /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/ ?
Do I just place el and elc files into this folder or do I have to
create speechd-el subfolder for it to work?
Where do I put the info file in order to make built-in help working for me?

Greetings

Peter

On 27.10.2015 at 10:22 Will Estes wrote:

speechd-el expects speech dispatcher to be running. Other than that, I don't see any platform specific issues 
-- aside from emacs itself.That question is best directed to the speech dispatcher mailing list.

On Monday, 26 October 2015,  8:17 pm -0500, Devin Prater <r d t prater gmail com> wrote:


Hello, could speechdl be compiled and used within other unix systems, like the Mac?

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 26, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Will Estes <westes575 gmail com> wrote:

All the active development on emacspeak is on adding functionality that is emacspeak specific and generally not needed. 
It's also, often, things that would be better handled outside of the "screen reading" component. When I last 
used emacspeak, I found its build process fragile and opaque.

speechd-el, on the other hand, simply lets emacs be emacs -- just with speech output. So you're not 
remembering additional screen reader specific commands other than the basics to make speech output the way 
you ened it.

There is a good tutorial inside emacs itself. speechd-el explains how to get it up and running inside emacs 
-- which you could do outside of emacs using another editor if you'd rather. Although the trick about using 
emacs in non-windowing mode mentioned on the list earlier is workable, certainly as a starting point.


On Monday, 26 October 2015,  1:34 pm +0100, Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com> wrote:

Hello,

I think emacs is really powerfull editor.

Can some of you knowing it better either give a few words on why
you prefer speechd-el over emacspeak or the other way round?
It appears emacspeak is more active developed than speechd-el.

Also is there a howto for beginers and noobs looking at learning this?

Greetings

Peter


On 26.10.2015 at 09:16 Alex ARNAUD wrote:

On 25/10/2015 22:48, Mike Dupont wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacspeak check out emacspeak it
is supposed to be very good and also allows for access to other things.

There are also speechd-el. You can find information here :
http://devel.freebsoft.org/speechd-el

I use this line in my bashrc to make Emacs in CLI automatically :
alias emacs='emacs -nw'

Best regards,
Alex.
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