Re: [orca-list] Question about capitalization styles

[Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs igalia com>]

Hey Attila, all.

I'm not seeing the problem where the previously-chosen setting is not
preserved. I don't think a debug.out would help -- unless it contains a
traceback. (Does it?)

As for your other comments. I am fully aware of those issues. They drove
me crazy while working on the implementation. This is why I asked the
question I did in this thread, and subsequently committed the change now
so people can try and be driven crazy too. Uh, I mean, so they could
provide feedback based on concrete experience. <smiles>

I'll let some other people chime in. But from what you've said and what
Zahari has said, combined with my desire to not go completely nuts with
settings, I'm thinking:

1. Enabled by default for editable objects and terminals
2. A single setting to enable it for all things

Thoughts on 1 and 2?
--joanie

On 11/26/2015 09:09 AM, Hammer Attila wrote:
> Hi Joanie,
>
> I looked the new capitalization style GUI possibility.
> First issue:
> 1. If in Orca preferences dialog/voice page If choosing the
> capitalization style combo box for example the icon possibility and
> press OK button, everithing is works right. Orca right reload and
> applying all preferences.
> But, when I opening again Orca preferences dialog, goto the voice page
> and tabbing the capitalization style combo box, the default selected
> value is the None possibility, not the previous setted icon possibility.
> Possible fixing this?
>
> 2. If the capitalization style is icon or spell,  now Orca reporting the
> capitalization simbol with non editable labels and not editable widgets
> too.
> My openion this two modes useful only when we editing texts in text
> boxes or on-line forms text-boxes, or whenreading articles in theWeb or
> filling forms, this situation Orca usual have in focus or browse mode.
> I don't no other users what modes will be prefer for example check
> boxes, combo boxes, radio buttons, push buttons, etc with GTK and web
> script handled form field elements.
> Try following testcase to demonstrate now what happening if the selected
> possibility is icon or spell mode:
> 1. Set the capitalization style with spell possibility, and reload Orca
> preferences.
> 2. Goto again Orca preference pane, and press a tab key to land the
> keyboard layout possibility.
> 3. Listen Orca what will be speak.
> If you using english locale, have chance to you two or three time will
> be hearing the cap or capital word.
> So, the Orca speech output is following or similar I think when the
> spell possibility the active preference and if you using Espeak speech
> sinth:
> "CapitalKeyboard layout panel capital desktop radio button selected"
> If checked the speak object mnemonics check box in speech page, the
> example I quoted speech output will be following or similar:
> "CapitalKeyboard layout panel capital desktop radio button selected
> capital alt + capital d"
> So, I would like hear the icon and spell modes output only with editable
> text widgets, but of course this is only my openion.
> With only editable text widgets works good I think the capitalization
> style feature if the selected mode is icon or spell possibility.
> I looked Orca what doing for example in Gedit or Thunderbird with
> following text:
> My name is Attila Hammer.
> If in this letter I go back theprevious line, I hear only before the My,
> Attila and Hammer words the cap word hungarian translated text.
> If I doed word navigation the example line, the feature works good too.
> So, I think the best practice with icon and spell mode possibility to
> restrict the feature working method with GTK editable text view widgets
> (the read-only textview widgets I don't no need or not this
> possibility), Web script handled editable text view widgets, in
> Thunderbird the editable text view widgets and message body if the focus
> have an existing letter body or a Compose or Reply dialog the message body.
> I don't no what we doing if Orca have in browse mode forexample in Firefox.
> With normal text reading possible useful this two capitalization style
> modes in browse mode, but need preventing this two modes with normal
> Firefox or Thunderbird menu operations or UI interactions with not
> editable widgets.
> So, this is a difficult thing.
>
> Attila
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