Re: [orca-list] victory! Linux mint to ship orca by default

[kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>]

hi
Lol the victory was mostly because for years and years the main
developer,  can't spell his name at the moment, was refusing to add it.
And I went onto their channel and asked and he agreed immediately.
Thanks
Kendell clark


On 11/05/2015 04:50 AM, Tony Baechler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes, OK, I agree that choice is good.  The more choices the blind have,
> the better.  However, I don't get the point.  I'm really dense I guess,
> but the "victory" escapes me.  Why not just install Ubuntu MATE
> instead?  I'm glad to see Orca being shipped by default and I appreciate
> your efforts in this area, but as you say, Cinnamon still needs work. 
> Yes, it's good to see it shiped with the MATE edition, but for someone
> doing a new install, I don't see the advantage.  In the case of a
> sighted person having already installed it and a blind person wanting to
> use it, Orca is only a package installation away, of course assuming the
> sighted person wants to install the package. Will Orca actually be
> installed by default?  Ubuntu ships thousands of packages, but most of
> them are not actually installed when the system is installed.  If Orca
> is actually installed as part of the base desktop system, that truly is
> a victory and I'm very happy to see it.
>
> Cinnamon is already packaged in Debian and Ubuntu for those who want to
> try it.  In my opinion, I would rather see accessibility effort spent on
> improving Cinnamon since it's widely available in major distributions
> without installing Mint.
>
> One thing I failed to mention in my last message is I do like their
> podcast.  They seem to be very proactive about getting new users.  As
> discussed here a while ago, there is a serious need for Linux tutorials
> and podcasts.  That need isn't just for the blind, it's for the sighted
> as well.  It's hard to find current (current emphasized) podcasts for
> the sighted community which are for new users.  Ubuntu is very good in
> this area, but I think Mint is better.  That's probably why it's so
> popular.  It's interesting that it apparently doesn't ship Gnome.
>
> On 11/5/2015 2:38 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> > hi
> > Well as said in my email, cinnamon still needs quite a bit of work, it's
> > definitely not ready for the average blind user yet. But clem is also
> > adding orca to the mate version, and that's a different story
> > altogether. I'm not completely sure what's so compelling about mint but
> > it is popular, so we should be able to use it just as effectively as the
> > sighted people do.
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