[orca-list] GREAT NEWS!/pcmanfm showing desktop nicely to orca_was: please help me with finding bugs in SpaceFM

From: "B.Henry" <burt1iband gmail com>
To: kendell clark <coffeekingms gmail com>, Orca mail-list <orca-list gnome org>
Subject: [orca-list] GREAT NEWS!/pcmanfm showing desktop nicely to orca_was: please help me with finding bugs in SpaceFM
Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 20:05:55 -0500

just getting frame with spacefm.

There were other problems with thunar besides this, but sometimes Ithink I could focus the desktop. It's been about a year since I usedXFCE much, and stopped experimenting with thunar a whhile before that.

I'll try letting pcmanfm run the desktop and see just what happens there.

See the revised subject! I restarted my GUI with pcmanfm set to managethe desktop, i.e. using --desktop, and so far it's working perfectly.

I've not tested much yet obviously, but so far so good.
Is this working correctly in LXDE?

Now I'm even more confused if possible as to why spacefm is not showingthe desktop to orca as it is a fork of pcmanfm. It forked a long timeago, so really not so surprising, but since caja works as adesktop-manager and caja is a gnome2fork...???...Now to see just how much lighter I can make my desktop environment, ornot, by not using caja and some deps.I may still want caja around, but the all pcman configuration is nowcertainly possible.



B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 24/05/15 07:14 PM, kendell clark wrote:

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hi
If I remember correctly it's been a while since I've used mate, they
had to specifically add atk code in caja to get orca to be able to
focus on and read the desktop icons. Otherwise, orca would say simply
"desktop frame" but not be able to read anything. Is this what happens
with spacefm, pcmanfm and thunar? Joanie might know more of what's
required to get orca to focus on and read desktop icons, particular
without saying "not selected" as usually happens
Thanks
Kendell clark


B.Henry wrote:

I don't use mate at the moment, but have always had great success
with orca and caja running in fluxbox. There are no panels that
orca can see so the desktop is always in focus when switching to an
empty workspace, and sometimes, (not that often), will have focus
when re-entering a workspace with open windows in it. I would like
a way to focus the desktop in active workspace even when programs
are open in it, but this is not very important to me as I have
defined 6 workspaces so usually have one or more unused ones, and
can add more if I wanted to. I like caja, but would seldom use it
if I could get pcmanfm or spacefm to show orca the desktop. I could
open menus but not see icons for files, folders, or any controls
when menus were closed when I set spacefm up to manage my desktop.
I don't want to run nautilus at all when running fluxbox, and read
that there was some bug that kept this from working correctly in
the past anyway. (might have been fixed/don't remember whether this
bug was back from gnome2 days, early gnome shell, or more recent
times) Do you know what the mate folks did to get the desktop
icons to show themselves to orca, or was the problem with focusing
the desktop?

B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886

On 24/05/15 06:02 PM, kendell clark wrote: hi I think all that is
required is for the file manager to know how to manage desktop
icons. There's probably an api and standard for this. The problem
is, unless you're using nautilus, orca returns "not selected" after
each icon, causing some subtle issues. Nemo, linux mint's fork of
nautilus, can also manage the desktop, and it requires a check of a
check box in the preferences to make this happen. I'm not sure what
nautilus does differently, but orca seems to work better with it
managing the desktop than with other file managers. This is likely
a combination of bugs in orca itself, and the file manager. I
think, but cannot prove, that most of the problem is orca using
older code from gnome 2, or gtk2, and trying to guess where the
file manager doesn't give it the information it needs. Thanks
Kendell clark


B.Henry wrote:

I can reconfirm the first bugs mentioned, not seen the one
about files list not being read after returning to spacefm
window. Anyway I would certainly like to see this program get
its kinks ironed out. It takes some reading of documentation
and experimentation to start using most of the interesting
extra functionality, so be prepared to take somoe time, maybe
a good bit to get started with spacefm. Custom commands and
scripts can be used with othere file managers, but spacefm is
especially good for this. I can see how it would be great for
people who have lots of files to work with as well. Spacefm
can remember custom panel layouts for different situations.
One thing I'd like to see is accessible desktops using
spacefm and pcmanfm, thunar also. Caja and nautilus are the
only filemanagers I know of that can accessibly manage and
display desktops. Would this be very hard to fix? As it is I
always need to run at least two filemanagters, and if I
decide to make spacefm a regular part of the kit I may need
three filemanagers on some systems.

B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886

On 21/05/15 09:53 AM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote:

Hi, I know I wrote about this previously... but... I found
SpaceFM file manager. I like it very much because you can
literaly do whatever you want with it. You can customize
every possible menu item, add various keyboard shortcuts
etc. Now for example it behaves almost like Total commander
except for keyboard shortcut for switching among panels.
Btw, it can have even four panels if you need them.
However, I face several problems: 1. some menu items are
not spoken. I dont know why, it looks like normal GTK app.
2. everytime I start the program and press F10 to open the
menu, I can't navigate it. I have to use alt+letter to open
some menu and after that F10 works as expected. 3.
Sometimes after alt-tabing out of the program and then
back, I can't read file list. I have to go one level up.
But in this canse I have still to find a way to reproduce
it reliably. First two cases can be reproduced. I am
running SpaceFM from git on Arch Linux. Could anyone give
me an advice how to debug this behavior? Thanks, Vojta
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References:
- [orca-list] please help me with finding bugs in SpaceFM
  - From: Vojtěch Polášek
- Re: [orca-list] please help me with finding bugs in SpaceFM
  - From: B.Henry
- Re: [orca-list] please help me with finding bugs in SpaceFM
  - From: kendell clark
- Re: [orca-list] please help me with finding bugs in SpaceFM
  - From: B.Henry
- Re: [orca-list] please help me with finding bugs in SpaceFM
  - From: kendell clark

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