[orca-list] desktop management&orca__was: please help me with finding bugs in SpaceFM

["B.Henry" <burt1iband gmail com>]

Well, it appears to have been a fluke the time I got a menu to open when 
running spacefm configured to manage my desktop. I can't duplicate this 
right now anyway.
Orca just says frame if I move in to an empty workspace. By empty I mean 
one where I've not opened any program windows. I assume visually one 
sees my desktop and I think I left the fluxbox slit visible as long as 
there are no maximized windows in a given workspace.




     B.H.
   Registerd Linux User 521886

On 24/05/15 06:57 PM, B.Henry wrote:
> I don't use mate at the moment, but have always had great success with 
> orca and caja running in fluxbox. There are no panels that orca can 
> see so the desktop is always in focus when switching to an empty 
> workspace, and sometimes, (not that often), will have focus when 
> re-entering a workspace with open windows in it. I would like a way to 
> focus the desktop in active workspace even when programs are open in 
> it, but this is not very important to me as I have defined 6 
> workspaces so usually have one or more unused ones, and can add more 
> if I wanted to.
> I like caja, but would seldom use it if I could get pcmanfm or spacefm 
> to show orca the desktop. I could open menus but not see icons for 
> files, folders, or any controls when menus were closed when I set 
> spacefm up to manage my desktop.
> I don't want to run nautilus at all when running fluxbox, and read 
> that there was some bug that kept this from working correctly in the 
> past anyway. (might have been fixed/don't remember whether this bug 
> was back from gnome2 days, early gnome shell, or more recent times)
> Do you know what the mate folks did to get the desktop icons
>        to show themselves to orca, or was the problem with focusing 
> the desktop?
>
>      B.H.
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> On 24/05/15 06:02 PM, kendell clark wrote:
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> > hi
> > I think all that is required is for the file manager to know how to
> > manage desktop icons. There's probably an api and standard for this.
> > The problem is, unless you're using nautilus, orca returns "not
> > selected" after each icon, causing some subtle issues. Nemo, linux
> > mint's fork of nautilus, can also manage the desktop, and it requires
> > a check of a check box in the preferences to make this happen. I'm not
> > sure what nautilus does differently, but orca seems to work better
> > with it managing the desktop than with other file managers. This is
> > likely a combination of bugs in orca itself, and the file manager. I
> > think, but cannot prove, that most of the problem is orca using older
> > code from gnome 2, or gtk2, and trying to guess where the file manager
> > doesn't give it the information it needs.
> > Thanks
> > Kendell clark
> >
> >
> > B.Henry wrote:
> > > I can reconfirm the first bugs mentioned, not seen the one about
> > > files list not being read after returning to spacefm window. Anyway
> > > I would certainly like to see this program get its kinks ironed
> > > out. It takes some reading of documentation and experimentation to
> > > start using most of the interesting extra functionality, so be
> > > prepared to take somoe time, maybe a good bit to get started with
> > > spacefm. Custom commands and scripts can be used with othere file
> > > managers, but spacefm is especially good for this. I can see how it
> > > would be great for people who have lots of files to work with as
> > > well. Spacefm can remember custom panel layouts for different
> > > situations. One thing I'd like to see is accessible desktops using
> > > spacefm and pcmanfm, thunar also. Caja and nautilus are the only
> > > filemanagers I know of that can accessibly manage and display
> > > desktops. Would this be very hard to fix? As it is I always need to
> > > run at least two filemanagters, and if I decide to make spacefm a
> > > regular part of the kit I may need three filemanagers on some
> > > systems.
> > >
> > > B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
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> > > On 21/05/15 09:53 AM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote:
> > > > Hi, I know I wrote about this previously... but... I found
> > > > SpaceFM file manager. I like it very much because you can
> > > > literaly do whatever you want with it. You can customize every
> > > > possible menu item, add various keyboard shortcuts etc. Now for
> > > > example it behaves almost like Total commander except for
> > > > keyboard shortcut for switching among panels. Btw, it can have
> > > > even four panels if you need them. However, I face several
> > > > problems: 1. some menu items are not spoken. I dont know why, it
> > > > looks like normal GTK app. 2. everytime I start the program and
> > > > press F10 to open the menu, I can't navigate it. I have to use
> > > > alt+letter to open some menu and after that F10 works as
> > > > expected. 3. Sometimes after alt-tabing out of the program and
> > > > then back, I can't read file list. I have to go one level up. But
> > > > in this canse I have still to find a way to reproduce it
> > > > reliably. First two cases can be reproduced. I am running SpaceFM
> > > > from git on Arch Linux. Could anyone give me an advice how to
> > > > debug this behavior? Thanks, Vojta
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