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Re: [orca-list] google drive, was a semi OT conversation abpout Support autoinstall of talking arch, (that was fwd'ed from somewhere...)

I shall join this chaos and add something of my own:

OwnCloud stinks.  Installed it, ran it for a few months and got sick of insanely slow upload times.   Nuff 
said.

Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of B. Henry
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 8:29 AM
To: Jude DaShiell; orca-list gnome org
Subject: [orca-list] google drive, was a semi OT conversation abpout Support autoinstall of talking arch, 
(that was fwd'ed from somewhere...)


What the h.e. double toothpicks does this have to do with arch installers, and for that matter what does an 
arch installer have to do with orca?
As I am to a point a fan of controled chaos I will answer this thread.
There is a package called grive that works fine oon most distros either in terminal emulaters or log-in ttys.
It must be manually synced, but of course that could just be donoe with cron jobs, and with a bit of work 
could be scripted to update on local changes.
Not exactly own-cloud, Dropbox or BTsync, but it is certainly worth having.
There are ppas for Ubuntu and it is in the arch AUR.  I am not sure about debian and other distros, but I 
suspect the Ubuntu package would run there any way. Google for Fedora or what ever else anyone is running.
As for no jail breaking of some i device, well there is a lot in the app stores, and as much as I do not like 
the Apple way's restrictive side I would be a fool or dishonest saying that one can not get plenty of 
generally good software with out leaving the Apple zone.
The popularity of Apple products has made it a no brainer for a lot of devs to play in their playground. 
I would certainly think Android has a functional Google Drive client, but do not know how accessible it is. 
We need an accessible/usable android emulater for Linux. (OK, android is Linux more or less, but you guys and 
gals know what I mean) Also I hear that at least the windows G-drive client is buggyer than get out, or maybe 
that google drive is a mess with larger payed accounts, losing files and the like. 
Back to the popularity angle: we are fortunate to have so much quality software for Desktop Linux considering 
how small our user share is compared with windows, and even macs. 
I'd not be anywhere else than on Linux unless you were paying me well for every hour I was using one of those 
other OS options. There are a couple of programs that I do occasionally use on Windows, but the windows 
experience does not inspire me to ohang around very long after I have finished with what ever I needed to do 
there.
Regards
-- 
     B.H.
   Registerd Linux User 521886


  Jude DaShiell wrote:
Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 06:32:48AM -0500


btw, no jail-breaking was necessary. On Wed, 18 Feb 2015, Todor Fassl
wrote:


Where I work, there are about 70 linux end users and five or ten 
Windows users. It's about a ten to one ratio. Over the years, most 
of the Windows users have been made administrators on their machines 
because they got tired of calling an IT staffer down every time they 
had to do anything on their machine. I am not a Windows admin so I don't know what all the problems were.
But I think it was mostly virus scanner updates, installs, etc. 
Overy the same time period, only 1 linux user has been given sudo 
rights on his machine. And that was a political decision, not a practical one.

So now most of our Windows users are running as administrators and 
as a result, they can install viruses unless they're careful. But 
the linux users simply don't even have privileges to instal programs 
except in their own space.  They literally can't alter systems 
programs. Pretty regularly, an end user who doesn't know better will type "sudo apt-get install 
<package-name>".
They googled it and just typed what the instructions said. But that 
sends me a message saying someone tried to do a command with sudo. I 
then log onto their machine remotely and install it for them. The 
whole thing can take as little as 2 minutes if I happen to be at my 
desk and not too busy doing something else.

Like I said in another message, nobody ever asks for anything that 
is not in the debian package repository. Well, I shouldn't say 
never. We do support dropbox and skype. But one big problem is 
google-drive. There's no google-drive package for linux.

Apple has seen the value of this package repository approach. That's 
why you have to jailbreak your IOS device in order to install 
something that is not in the Apple Store. I am sure the people at 
Apple knew people weren't going to like Apple telling them where to 
get their apps from. In spite of all the drawbacks, Apple clearly 
decided the benefits of controlling the package repository outweighed the drawbacks.





On 02/18/2015 11:42 AM, Josh K wrote:

yes if businesses used ubuntu or red hat or arch or debian and if 
they stuck to official repositories for their apps and games both 
GUI and CLI, they would be quite safe.
I also read an article on about.com where there was a debate over 
which is better, GUI or CLI in linux. the result said its best to 
use a mixture of both GUI and CLI depending on what your needs are at the time.

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 2/18/2015 12:37 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:

Right but what's a "reputable source"? You are requiring the end 
user to make a judgement call that simply isn't necessary in 
linux. When it comes to deciding which operating system is more 
secure by design, this is a huge point in favor of linux.

The last time I got into this debate it was on the nfb-cs list. 
The main advocate for Windows pointed out that a standard 
install of debian starts the rpc-bind daemon and opens port 111. 
Well, you *could* stop that, after all. But my main problem with 
the point is that I've never heard of anyone using port 111 and 
the rpc-bind daemon as an attack vector. I googled for exploits 
and didn't find anything. To compare a flaw like that to the problems in Windows is really misleading.

You can tell end users to install programs from reputable 
sources but that is easier said than done.


On 02/17/2015 08:22 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

Installing applications from official repositories is a 
choice. There are plenty of other ways to get applications on 
to your system. If you practice some common sense on Windows, 
and only install applications you get from reputable sources 
and keep your software up to date you'll go a lon ways towards avoiding malware on Windows.

On 02/17/2015 02:29 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:

No, linux is less prone to viruses because almost everything 
you install is from an official repository. It would be 
difficult to get a virus into an official repository. Even 
if you did, you'd only do it once because you'd be 
blackballed as a developer for forever. And the source code 
is there for everyone to see.

As far as I know, no one has ever gotten a virus into a 
package from an official repository for any major distro. 
I've been watching security email lists and newsletters for 
years for something like that and I've never seen it.


What a hacker could do is to include a program compiled for 
linux as an email attachment. You could run it by double 
clicking on it but it couldn't change systems files unless 
you ran it via sudo and entered your password. You could 
probably write a program that first asked for your password 
and then forked itself and infected your system. That'd be 
rather obvious though.


On 02/16/2015 01:12 PM, Josh K wrote:

but if everybody ran linux all of a sudden wouldn't the 
virus makers then target linux just like they target 
windows now? and if they put an all out viral assault on 
linux wouldn't linux cave like windows does often?

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 2/16/2015 1:32 PM, Kyle wrote:

With things like viruses, compromises of personal data 
and other things we hear about in the news every day, I 
could never recommend running Windows in an office 
setting either. Fact is that Windows was initially 
designed for gamers and children, whereas Linux and 
other Unix-like operating systems have been designed 
with business in mind, and have only recently, say 
within the last 10 to 12 years or so, gotten to the 
point where more casual home users can feel comfortable using it.
No
marketing hype in the world will change my perception of 
Windows as a toy and nothing more, especially when I 
can't watch the news without seeing yet another infected 
ATM, credit card machine or other bank or store related 
terminal that never should have been running Windows in 
the first place, but has been compromised because it 
does, and an old version at that. So yeah, I'm for Linux 
or BSD all the way, and Linux is the most polished OS 
I've been able to find that talks to me, unless anyone 
has any pointers on how to get a *real* BSD (NOT MacOS) 
talking, in which case, I'm all ears. Man do I want me 
some BSD! But then again, BSD just doesn't seem to have 
the hardware support or even the ease of use that Linux 
now enjoys, so it will still require some shell 
knowledge at this point, and I can't really recommend it 
to novice users the way I have been able to get them 
turned on to the easier non-geek-oriented Linux distros.
Sent from my coffee maker


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