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Re: [orca-list] heads up: beta code for progress bar beeps in orca coming soon

Hello,
I have no real issues to fix for now. With gnome it is working as it should and for sure it'll continue to work this way. I apologize for sounding like a crap. I am just curious if you were thinking of similar things like me. 

Thanks and greetings

Peter


On 22.08.2015 at 15:11 chrys87 web de wrote:

Hi Peter, hi list,

Its not a player for now. Its more a tone generator.

I think joanie removed that player because its depents on pygtk ( so gtk2) as far as i now. Nobody was angry 
about that code for years.
  i m sure you didnt reconize taht that code exists ;).

Yea its not perfect for now. That is the reason why i m speaking from an "initial"  implementation.
If we dont want gstreamer as depecy (what is imo wide spread in gtk environments) its not a big deal to make 
it optional.

I just did it because many many people ask me about more often. If they need that for a dayly use i m sure we 
are able to find a solution for every problem ;)

Why this schould work in a different way with an multisoundcard setup then every other application that 
jingels sound on your pc? Do you have a concrete problem that i schould solve for you here?
Any bad test results?

I m just new to many open source things like pyatspi git and so on ;) so the initial is not perfect nor the 
final shot. So dont be too hard too me  ;) i just want to help :).

Joanie did you see a concrete problem to integrate beeps for progressbars into orca?

Cheers chrys

Am Sa. Aug. 22 13:54:45 2015 GMT+0200 schrieb Peter Vágner:

Hello,
Not a long time ago Joanie has removed ancient sound module
<https://github.com/GNOME/orca/commit/3715e183059111609865bceba986c65ce589caf5>
which apparently had more issues than it was trying to address.

I can see Chrys has added verry minimalistic gstreamer based player
which can beep in a seperate thread.
I think adding this introduces some more challenges:
- Is gstreamer going to be a dependency or can it be tweaked into
optional dependency and its presence will be checkedeither at install
time or at runtime? For example running orca withopenbox or other
minimalist windo manager will have to have this specified in case not to
cause issues for new users.  Also are these python 3 gstreamer bindings
installed with it? I guess debian and ubuntu might have seperate package
for this.
Are you looking for more gstreamer dependant features e.g. playing other
sounds or even considering implementing speechserver factory for espeak
playing sounds it generates via this gstreamer backend?
What about audio device selection? Currently I am using two sound cards
on my desktop one for speech-dispatcher output, the other for other
sounds my computer plays.

I am not saying what you are trying to do is incorrect but it's
something I am also interested in. However these are some of the
complicated side effects that I am afraid. And I can't make up my mind
about this.

Would not it be better to research and try to make some good use of
speech-dispatcher sound icons since it now handles audio output for speech?

Greetings

Peter

On 22.08.2015 at 03:50 kendell clark:

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hi
I second both of these. A slightly shorter tone and a both option.
Joanie might be in the best position to add that once chrys submits
the patch, but in the meantime I'll try to see if I can figure out how
to add the option. I don't think I can do anything about the tones,
that code is over my head.
Thanks
Kendell clark


B. Henry wrote:

I backed up my ~/.local/share/orca dir to be safe and  did
./auatogen.sh ./configure --prefix-=/usr/local make sudo make
install before I saw your msg. What would your method do to
distinguish the orca versions? would they both be in /usr/bin?
Anyway, so far it is working for me. I find the tone a bit louder
than I'd like, but more importantly I think itmay last a bit longer
than it needs to for each beep. I've not used nvda much in a long
time as I have not used windows much ina long time, but if I
remember corectly it gave shorter tone bursts that gave one a good
idea of what was happening with out being extremely intrusive. The
other thing I'd really like to see is a both option so that one
could get both spoken anouncements and beeps, i.e. I'd like to bee
able to turn progress anouncements back to speak every 10 seconds
as is default, but have beeps informing me of changes if they occur
inbetween the spoken feedback. Is this beeping for each percent of
progress, or is it timed? This is a good feature that I think many
people will want to use/thanks much for dong the work to make it
happen. I think it's most of the way there, but does need to be
"toned" down" a little bit, pardon the bad pun, well are most puns
not bad actually? Congrats.



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