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Re: [orca-list] Orca now has preliminary support for object mode / non-layout mode. Yes. Really.

and they won't know about the feature till they get some information where this can be posted. 
It is in ~/.local/share/orca BTW.

On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 01:53:37AM +0430, Hadi Rezaee wrote:

Peter, actually It would be very awesome if the layout mode could be
switchable quickly. While the fans of the new line by line view probably
will stick to the new mode most of the times, sometimes as some of you
mentioned, they need to support a sighted person, or a sighted person
instruct them to do a thing which requires them to quickly  switch to the
real layout view, so they could see the site as others see.
As for the customization configuration file, As a new user i even do not
know where's the config file either.... :) <smily>

On 9/13/2014 12:49 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:

Hello,
I like the fact there is a lot of people liking this feature however I
think this is something that is not supposed to be switchable back and
forth. If you like object mode presentation style then why you would be
about to switch to more natural presentation style orca included from its
beginning? Switching it back and forth adds another level of complexity
especially while browsing new and unknown sites. I think this should be
controlled via orca_customizations.py file for orca 3.14 and from within
screen reader preferences dialog for upcoming orca versions. If there will
be kind of verry special situation anyone would like to switch this back
and forth, I suggest to set this within individual settings profiles along
with other personal preferences e.g. I guess someone might argue that for
continous reading we would like to use one and for proof reading the other
presentation style the same way we are using different speech output
settings.
Unfortunatelly I have no other usefull comments as I dont find this
feature particularly attractive to me and I guess I will not be able to
find suitable use case to make motr
constructive comments.

Greetings

Peter

On 12.09.2014 at 18:45 Francisco Javier Dorado Martínez wrote:

Hi Joanie, all
Many thanks for the hard work.

On 11/09/14 20:36, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

By "preliminary" I mean that it still needs polish, for instance, not
treating a checkbox and its label as if they were on separate lines.
(Or
do you want those kept separate?)

No, in the same line would be great :)


 I also have questions like:

* What should Orca do when there is punctuation and whitespace in
  between two links? Are those three "lines" or just two?
I vote for two lines, first one with the comma included.

a link,
b link

* What should happen when you use structural navigation to move to a
list item which consists of a number and a link? Technically the link is
separate, but you also didn't down arrow; you pressed i. Etc., etc.,
etc. But I figure that you can just try it with your favorite sites and
we can all discuss here what behaviors you'd like to see changed. The
other thing it needs, I assume, are a GUI means to set it and perhaps a
keyboard command to toggle it. Because of the various freezes GNOME is
in, I cannot add those to the gnome-3-14 branch without blessing from
the localization team -- and in the case of a GUI option I also need the
release team to approve it.
Note that this is not a temporary situation: The configuration and
command cannot go into GNOME 3.14 ever unless I get permission. I can of
course add them to master and will. But first: 1. Do we need both a GUI
option and a command to toggle it, or just one or the other? 2. If we
need a command to toggle it, any suggestions for the bindings? Orca+L
for Layout or Orca+O for object would be great -- and are available in
Desktop Layout. But then Laptop Layout would need a different command.
Suggestions very much welcome.
GUI and command would be great, a single command to switch between both
modes should be enough.
But I think that this feature might be pending to complete for 3.16
meanly question of time, next week I think is time for proposal for
features in 3.16?
Any way, We are used to live in the bleeding edge :)

Take care,
Regards,
Javier
3. Tel
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


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orca-list gnome org
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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