Re: [orca-list] Orca now has preliminary support for object mode / non-layout mode. Yes. Really.

[Peter Vágner <pvdeejay gmail com>]

Hello,
I like the fact there is a lot of people liking this feature however I 
think this is something that is not supposed to be switchable back and 
forth. If you like object mode presentation style then why you would be 
about to switch to more natural presentation style orca included from 
its beginning? Switching it back and forth adds another level of 
complexity especially while browsing new and unknown sites. I think this 
should be controlled via orca_customizations.py file for orca 3.14 and 
from within screen reader preferences dialog for upcoming orca versions. 
If there will be kind of verry special situation anyone would like to 
switch this back and forth, I suggest to set this within individual 
settings profiles along with other personal preferences e.g. I guess 
someone might argue that for continous reading we would like to use one 
and for proof reading the other presentation style the same way we are 
using different speech output settings.
Unfortunatelly I have no other usefull comments as I dont find this 
feature particularly attractive to me and I guess I will not be able to 
find suitable use case to make motr
 constructive comments.

Greetings

Peter

On 12.09.2014 at 18:45 Francisco Javier Dorado Martínez wrote:
> Hi Joanie, all
> Many thanks for the hard work.
>
> On 11/09/14 20:36, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > By "preliminary" I mean that it still needs polish, for instance, not
> > treating a checkbox and its label as if they were on separate lines. (Or
> > do you want those kept separate?)
> No, in the same line would be great :)
>
> >   I also have questions like:
> >
> > * What should Orca do when there is punctuation and whitespace in
> >    between two links? Are those three "lines" or just two?
> > I vote for two lines, first one with the comma included.
> a link,
> b link
>
>  * What should happen when you use structural navigation to move to a 
> list item which consists of a number and a link? Technically the link 
> is separate, but you also didn't down arrow; you pressed i. Etc., 
> etc., etc. But I figure that you can just try it with your favorite 
> sites and we can all discuss here what behaviors you'd like to see 
> changed. The other thing it needs, I assume, are a GUI means to set it 
> and perhaps a keyboard command to toggle it. Because of the various 
> freezes GNOME is in, I cannot add those to the gnome-3-14 branch 
> without blessing from the localization team -- and in the case of a 
> GUI option I also need the release team to approve it.
>  Note that this is not a temporary situation: The configuration and 
> command cannot go into GNOME 3.14 ever unless I get permission. I can 
> of course add them to master and will. But first: 1. Do we need both a 
> GUI option and a command to toggle it, or just one or the other? 2. If 
> we need a command to toggle it, any suggestions for the bindings? 
> Orca+L for Layout or Orca+O for object would be great -- and are 
> available in Desktop Layout. But then Laptop Layout would need a 
> different command. Suggestions very much welcome.
> GUI and command would be great, a single command to switch between 
> both modes should be enough.
> But I think that this feature might be pending to complete for 3.16 
> meanly question of time, next week I think is time for proposal for 
> features in 3.16?
> Any way, We are used to live in the bleeding edge :)
>
> Take care,
> Regards,
> Javier
>  3. Tel
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