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Re: [orca-list] conversion of ubuntu 14.04 iso image file to zip

Same here...I've not found beta versions to be installed unless requested which generally requires adding 
repos to my 
sources.
I am not saying it has never happened with other packages, nor that is against Ubuntu policy, but I think it 
is 
exceedingly rare, or less common than that...
I also find Ubuntu to be a very solid distro, and I find the package inclusion and update policies to strike 
a good 
balance between including the new just because and not updating in the name of caution most of the time. When 
I need to be 
on the cutting edge or beyond I may well have to add a repo, but with the exception of mozilla programs 
breaking 
accessibility have almost never had issues when updating from official repos. 
--
B.H.
 

On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:57:40PM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:

Well, it's the first time I've ever had this problem with them and I've been
using some version or another of theirs off and on since 2010.  I still
think they are a great distribution and that they have a lot to offer.  Once
they get this Grub issue fixed for people, I will once again recommend them
to new Linux users and those of us not so new but who don't fancy manually
doing a from the ground up installation.  I am quite certain I will value
this learning experience immensely once I've put it behind me.  I just wish
I hadn't encountered it on an LTS and on my family's home server instead of
an a virtual machine or secondary laptop with some bleeding edge distro like
Arch or Fedora wherein one expects these little educational experiences from
time to time.  

Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: covici ccs covici com [mailto:covici ccs covici com] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 3:34 PM
To: B. Henry
Cc: Alex Midence; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] conversion of ubuntu 14.04 iso image file to zip

Ubuntu does this all the time, one reason why I don't use it.

B. Henry <burt1iband gmail com> wrote:


Yes, I'm not sure what is in the beta that makes devs feel it worth 
putting it as default version. As you say, even if beta versions were 
to be considered for using as default packages using them for absolutely

mission critical components such as boot loaders??????????

Arch-LInux also has had betas as default for some time now. I'm going 
to google for reasons for these decissions, grub release policy, etc. I'm

using syslinux for now on my arch-disk so am not sure if I'd have issues
with grub2.

--
B.H.


On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:23:02PM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:

I've only recently learned that such is possible.  Complexity is 
introduced by the presence of UEFI.  Still and all, this is not the 
point.  Your average Linux user will not be versed in such 
techniques.  Managing files, the odd script or two, working with 
MYSQL and Apace, sure but, messing with the boot loader is not 
something I do without great trepidation.  Your typical newbie 
windows migrant which Ubuntu tends to attract certainly won't be 
versed in this sort of thing at all.  Whether or not someone can use a

live cd to mount the hard drive and reinstall Grub is not the point, though.

The point is that this sort of thing should not happen in the first

place.

An LTS is no place for beta versions of software that is as utterly 
mission critical as the boot loader that makes it possible to start 
your very machine.  I for one am just very glad that I was able to 
find knowledgeable people on this list who could point me at a 
solution.  My deepest thanks to Kelly and Luke.

-----Original Message-----
From: covici ccs covici com [mailto:covici ccs covici com]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 1:45 PM
To: Alex Midence
Cc: 'D. A. H.'; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] conversion of ubuntu 14.04 iso image file 
to zip

But can't you boot from a gmrl cd, which you can certainly make talk 
using speakup and then you can mount your root and fix whatever is

broke?


Alex Midence <alex midence gmail com> wrote:


My friend, we have concensus.  I am tremendously disappointed in 
them for having done this and wishing very badly that I had left 
my system alone at
13.10 which was working very very well.  All I did was a standard 
do-release-upgrade followed a week or so later by an apt-get

dist-upgrade.

After the dist-upgrade, it asked me to reboot which I did.  I 
haven't been able to get it to boot ever since and that was two 
weeks ago today.  It launches straight into the bios  and I am 
reduced to using my six-year-old son as a talking screen reader.  
He does it in exchange for gummy bears and
30 minutes worth of Minion Rush on my iPhone.  Quite the little

negotiator!


Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of D.

A. H.

Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 12:19 PM
To: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] conversion of ubuntu 14.04 iso image file 
to zip

I'd call a broken grub an urgent, show-stopping bug, especially in 
a LTS release; Canonical, what were you thinking!



On 05/30/2014 12:51 PM, Alex Midence wrote:

It saddens me to say it but, I am inclined to agree.  Just to 
give an example of such an issue which I feel should never ever 
happen to you on a long-term/stable release, there are lots of 
people who are having issues just booting their system, for 
instance.  Some genius decided to update

grub

to a beta version from 2.02 and it hauled off and just broke all 
kinds of stuff for lots of folks.  There's argument back and 
forth on whether or

not

to declare it an urgen bug or not.  I'm hoping it's getting a 
bit more tlc


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