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Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of LXDE desktop?

Yeah, but can someone just make a sort of bigger version of DSL that
has CLI and GUI and doesn't suffer from bloat and ... vinuxyishness?
500megs or less, orca, whatever the litest GUI thing that works
w/Orca, no neckbearding needed? Thinking of a small rescue disk that's
primarily CLI and not GRML.

On 8/16/14, B. Henry <burt1iband gmail com> wrote:

It is not that hard to make a custom installer once you have configured
things as you like, e.g. installed fluxbox and
its dependencies. You can switch from one desktop to another assuming sonar
has an accessible DM, and it'd be pretty easy
to set up as to get the nicest accessible fluxbox I know of several mate
packages and their deps are installed.
I use caja to get me a orca readable desktop for instance, and caja is
mate's default file manager.
I use pcmanfm as my file manager because of its superior performance, better
than windows xp's filemanager, windows
explorer I think it's called. That is lxde's default file manager, but you
want the version from git, pcmanfm-git I'm
pretty sure it is called on arch/manjaro.
I know it is a bit scarey for some people to think about the configuration
required to get all of this working well, but
it is actually pretty easy, and I can give you very specific instructions if
you want to go this route.

Hopefully with in a few months I'll have a screenreader friendly fluxbox
setup in the Arch-Linux AUR, so with something
like packer or yaourt you will be able to install everything with a single
pacman-like command, i.e.
pacman -Syu
and then
packer -S what-ever-I-call-the-package
No help today, but something to look forward to.
Storm already hs ratpoison accessibility stuff packaged, so you only need to
add the accessibility variable export stuff
and run a couple of commands to get things screenreader friendly, see his
email in this thread regarding this.
Unless you are very memory tight Mate should be plently light, and it is
enough more accessible compared with lxde to make
it a much better choice if you can run it.
XFCE is about as accessible as lxde, maybe a bit better actually, (not tried
lxde recently to say for sure), and on most
systems uses less memory than mate, but as far as cpu goes there's no big
advantage either way.
At least one person, maybe a significant minority of users, report using
less ram with mate than they do with XFCE. All I
read however, and personal experience tell me that xfce's lighter on memory
usage than Mate.
As they often say, "your mileage maly vary,"...
--
B.H.


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 11:28:35PM +0430, Hadi Rezaee wrote:

I wish there was a distro, (based on manjaro) that had a very lighweight
desktop manager. Extremeley lightweight with minimum packages, so i could
boot it from my USB flash and take it with me around.
Sonar apparently is working on a mate-based distro, But i know many
lighter
desktops also exists.

On 8/16/2014 10:47 PM, B. Henry wrote:

Thanks for sharing the link.
More later, but quickly, although the menu's not accessible in fluxbox,
there is no menu at all for rat-poison.
In either one though, as mentioned in my prev post in this thread, you
can make a shortcut to open a filemanager in
/usr/share/applications/
and pressing enter on the .desktop files in there will launch the
programs they refference in their exec lines. Usually
the program has same name as the .desktop file, but not always.
I have used this technique in flluxbox with the super, (windowskey to
some), plus a as the shortcut.
The line in my ~/.fluxbox/keys file reading:
Mod4 a :Exec pcmanfm /usr/share/applications/
Note that Mod4 is what the windows or super key is called by many *nix
configuration files, and Mod1 is alt.
Ratpoison has a keybinding to show you all the hotkeys that are
configured, so in a sense this is a app menu substitute.

The big drawback to ratpoison for me is the two key combination
keybindings.
As Storm says, it's like screen, or emacs if you wish, i.e. control-t
plus something instead of having Control-m do
something.
I find it rather inconvenient and just plain rhythm destroying to have to
press two key combinations to launch programs,
show the desktop or what ever instead of just typi9ing one combiinationm,
e.g. alt super m to launch mangler, alt super w
to launch my default x-www-browser, etc.
For others this would not be a bother, or not much of one.
Both window managers are very fast, small, and thrifty with system
resources in general.
Ratpoison's even smaller/lighter than fluxbox, but not noticeablly faster
here. They both have atractive features and are
quite stable. I do find fluxbox more flexible, and generally more feature
rich, but there's plenty good to say about
ratpoison.
Again, more later.
Oh, you can make a .sh file in /etc/profile.d/ and put the GTK_MODULES
line in it, andf same with the QT setting, but in a
file called qt-accessibility.sh. Having those files should mean that any
user will have the access stuff for these kits
working, and if you use a dm that doesn't use .xinitrc file in your home
dir you
--
B.H.

On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 11:55:16AM -0400, Storm Dragon wrote:

Hi,
this is still very much a work in progress. It's designed to replace the
inaccessible bits of ratpoison, which is about as fast as you can get
and still have access to X.
git clone https://github.com/stormdragon2976/strychnine.git
You'll have to point to the items in the git directiory in your
.ratpoisonrc or add them to fluxbox. If you absolutely have to have a
desktop, you can install caja and add caja -n to the .ratpoisonrc.
Ratpoison works a lot like screen, I find it very easy to use. Fluxbox
was pretty cool too, but the menu isn't accessible, which is a bit of a
drawback. In ratpoison, if you need a tray for apps that only work if
there's a panel or tray present, try trayer. I only have one app that
requires it, and it's a QT app, so I'm not sure how accessible it is.
It does say panel when focus lands on it though, so maybe...
If you're setting up mate, fluxbox, or ratpoison, here's a quick
reference of things you will want to do to make the best accessible
experience. Note these instructions work on Arch Linux. I'm not sure
where .xinitrc is on other distros like Ubuntu or Vinux.
In ~/.xinitrc, make sure you have the line:
export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridge

In your ~/.bashrc:
export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1

In terminal type:
gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled
true

And finally, if you chose Mate:
gsettings set org.mate.interface accessibility true

HTH
Storm
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 10:23:57AM -0500, Burt Henry wrote:

no panels, can't remember about desktop icons.
Mate is a lot heavier than lxde, but light compared with unity or kde,
and much cpu less intensive than gnome3 and very
accessible with a few glitches.
XFCE may be a bit better than lxde, but very similar, and if you can do
with out accessible panels and can do with out an
organized apps menu you can go super lightweight with fluxbox.
In fluxbox assign keuyboard shortcuts to the programs you use most,
launch caja to get desktop icons, (use the -n option
when auto starting it in the fluxbox start-up file), and assign a key
to open the applications dir in /usr/share to get a
way to launch any app you don't have a shortcut for and do not remember
exact name for.
Also Stormdragon wrote a little  script to replace the run box app
that's not accessible for fluxbox, ratpoison and
similar. I don't have his original, but do have my slightly hacked
version of this I can send, or look in archives for the
url to get his version. Build from source if not able to get latest
fluxbox on your debian based distro, it's in repos for
arch.
I can help more with the fluxbox configuration if you are interested,
and maybe it'll get better out of the box with in a
reasonable time frame, some dev interest.
OAll of the above mentioned options require exporting gtk modules and
setting qt accessiblity at least as well as a couple
things for gconf  for mate anyway, same gets stuff working for
fluxbox.
I can send you some links and or notes later if you need.
--
B.H.

There are a couple more hacks for fluxbox.
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 08:06:43AM -0700, austinAustin quesada wrote:

Hi list. Was just wondering if the light-weight LXDE environment is
accessible using orca? I have some older machines laying around that
might benefit from a debian or arch install with LXDE. If it's not
particularly accessible, could anyone advise on another light-weight
desktop? Thanks for any feedback.
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Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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orca-list gnome org
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


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orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

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orca-list mailing list
orca-list gnome org
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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