Re: [orca-list] Problem running orca

[Bill Dengler <billkd314159 gmail com>]

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You said openbox was inaccessible, LXDE uses openbox as its window
manager!

Bill
On 03/03/2013 03:22 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> LXDE is not inaccessible.  Knopix Adrienne uses LXDE as its
> default window manager/Desktop.  Also, Sonar has a spin that uses
> LXDE and XFCE as the desktops.  The closest I know of to anyone
> using something close to Openbox was Trevor Saunders' affirmation
> that he uses Fluxbox which may be based on similar technology.  I
> don't know what he had to do to make it work for him but, you may
> wish to look into it.  Again, thyough, LXDE can now be used to a
> large degree by a person needing a screen reader.  And, as for your
> recommendations on speech, JPM does not want to use speech.  He
> uses braille.
>
> Alex M
>
> On 3/2/2013 10:31 PM, Bill Dengler wrote: OK, you say that open box
> isn't accessible, then you say to use LXDE? But if LXDE's window
> manager isn't accessible, why should we use LXDE?
>
> Bill On 03/02/2013 11:16 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> > > > All the other suggestions and questions notwithstanding, I
> > > > wonder if anyone's tackled the most fundamental problem:
> > > >
> > > > Orca does not read Xterm.  It never has in my experience
> > > > neither with braille nor with speech.  Gnome-termilnal yes,
> > > > xterm?  Ce n'est pas posible, mon ami.
> > > >
> > > > Also, OpenBox is something I thought was not accessible.  If
> > > > you require minimal resources, perhaps you should try getting
> > > > LXDE to work for you. There are some messages in the archives
> > > > of this mailing list which give the steps.  I do not use LXDE
> > > > but Jonathan Nadeau and a few others have posted about this
> > > > in the past.
> > > >
> > > > Bonne Chance, Alex M
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- Alex Midence
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > On 3/2/2013 9:50 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday 02 Mar 2013 à 22:40:10 (-0500), Bill Dengler
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > Install the "speech-dispatcher" package then, run spd-conf
> > > > > > Hmmm. I've installed one. Even after spd-conf, I've
> > > > > > nothing else. But right, at this time, I've not installed
> > > > > > any speech synthetiser (espeak). I hope I'll be able to
> > > > > > use braille only. I needn't speech synthetiser usually.
> > > > Is there a reason you don't want python3?
> > > > > > I try optimizing at maximum my system and as I use
> > > > > > python2 for most applications, I'm not so happy if both
> > > > > > python2 and 3 are installed. Both would be large on the
> > > > > > system. And most apps don't support python3 yet. Well if
> > > > > > I cannot do better, I'll install it, but first, I'd ;ike
> > > > > > to know if I can use Python2. I also don't know if I
> > > > > > don't risk conflicts between modules and releases.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Bill On 03/02/2013 10:39 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday 02 Mar 2013 à 22:26:55 (-0500), Bill
> > > > > > > > Dengler wrote: OK... do you hear "welcome to orca"?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No I don't. I only see, via xbrlapi, "Screen reader
> > > > > > > > > orca" (so a window whose title is "screen reader
> > > > > > > > > orca"). But indeed, I don't have "Welcome to orca".
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > > > Bill On 03/02/2013 10:25 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm in progress in my experiences, but still
> > > > > > > > > > > not with an orca. I explain. I use openbox, and
> > > > > > > > > > > I run orca from an xterm terminal. I issue:
> > > > > > > > > > > orca --enable=braille I have nothing. orca
> > > > > > > > > > > runs, but nothing seems to appear, including
> > > > > > > > > > > the preferences window. I precise
> > > > > > > > > > > at-spi2-registryd is running.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So I run, while xterm is running and on a
> > > > > > > > > > > terminal (tty1): DISPLAY=:0 orca
> > > > > > > > > > > --enable=braille
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On the console, I get: File 
> > > > > > > > > > > "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gi/types.py",
line 47, in function return info.invoke(*args,
> > > > > > > > > > > **kwargs) gi._glib.GError: Could not locate 
> > > > > > > > > > > wnck_screen_get_default: (null)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > orca crashes (I can kill it only with a kill -s
> > > > > > > > > > > 9 command).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I precise what I want: running orca from xterm
> > > > > > > > > > > (or at X boot time via openbox autostart or
> > > > > > > > > > > what else I'll find), and having displayed the
> > > > > > > > > > > preferences window. Then, with alt-tab, I could
> > > > > > > > > > > access to OOo and firefox. Xterm would say
> > > > > > > > > > > "inaccessible" but no problem, I don't mind.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Is this behavior expected? Does a stack miss in
> > > > > > > > > > > my system? I still use orca 3.6.2, as I'd like
> > > > > > > > > > > to avoid Python3 required with latest orca
> > > > > > > > > > > releases. I have installed pygobject and
> > > > > > > > > > > libwnck. But some stack must miss in my
> > > > > > > > > > > architecture of accessibility.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > JPM
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list orca-list gnome org
> > > > > > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information
> > > > > > > > > > > on Orca. The manual is at 
> > > > > > > > > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>
> > > > > > > > > > >
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > > > > > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at 
> > > > > > > > > > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
> > > > > > > > > > > at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> > > > > _______________________________________________ orca-list
> > > > > mailing list orca-list gnome org 
> > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit 
> > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > > > The manual is at 
> > > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>
> > > > >
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > > Find out how to help at
> > > > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________ orca-list
> > > > mailing list orca-list gnome org 
> > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit 
> > > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
> > > > manual is at 
> > > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>
> > > >
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > > Find out how to help at
> > > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
>
> -- Alex Midence
>
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