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[orca-list] chromebooks was Re: Progress update on the "List of" dialogs

It works quite well, in fact google webapps like drive work better than with Orca although that's another post. The only concern I have is trying to install Gnu/Linux alongside Chrome OS on the ARM chromebook. My attempts at this might've caused the frying of my internal speakers which occurred around the same time I was installing chrubuntu. So, I'd only get one if you know well that flashing Linux might toast the sound system, and to get something else if you really want to use Gnu/Linux. The nexus 7" is another good tablet option. I use the nexus 4 which works quite well. Android's accessibility has come a long way from 1.6 donut to now. 
On 02/07/13 15:13, Alex Midence wrote:

Naturally.  Dr. T. V. Raman wrote that and he used precisely the same
approach in Emacspeak.  Incidentally, how is that Chromebook?  Is it totally
accessible?  One day, I may decide to get a tablet.  iPads are expensive.

Alex M


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dengler [mailto:billkd314159 gmail com]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 2:09 PM
To: Alex Midence
Cc: 'Fernando Botelho'; 'Joanmarie Diggs'; orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Progress update on the "List of" dialogs

Chromevox, the screen reader for my Google Chromebook, does something
similar successfully and it works well.
On 02/07/13 10:23, Alex Midence wrote:

Hi, all,

I sat down and thought about this last night and wondered if something
along the lines of an escape sequence might be possible to resolve

conflicts.

Emacs uses this a lot and it works pretty well there.  You press a
hotkey that makes the system wait for input which is the real hotkey
you want.  For
instance:

Orca-l is the escape key:

o-l 1 = list of level 1 headings
o-l 2 = list of level 2 headings.


You get the picture?  People wind up either loving this or hating this
so, I don't know how feasible this would be for a solution if keyboard
conflits are suspected in future.  It would open up virtually the
entire panorama of potential hotkey combinations as long as the user
pressed orca-l before they did the hotkey.


Regards,
Alex M

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces gnome org] On Behalf Of
Fernando Botelho
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:29 AM
To: Joanmarie Diggs
Cc: orca-list gnome org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Progress update on the "List of" dialogs

Dear Joanie and all, I hope I am not too late in terms of offering my
two cents.

I am all in favor of this solution, lets  use alt shift combinations
and unbind the few conflicts that exist.

Also, the new features are way too important to leave them unbound.

Control Alt combinations are already used by distributions like F123
and Vinux and I am sure many others. Plus they should be reserved for
the user to play with.

Thanks,

Fernando



On 02/05/2013 10:07 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

On 02/05/2013 06:44 AM, Hammer Attila wrote:


Basicaly, your concept with CTRL+ALT+Structural navigation letter is
full logical and easy to learning.

Thanks. Something that would be equally easy and less conflict-prone
would be Alt+Shift+Structural navigation letter. In fact, that was my
first choice, and it nearly worked too. Why I liked it:

* Orca is already using Alt+Shift+Arrows for table cell navigation
     which is a type of structural navigation.

* Alt+Shift+Letters does not conflict with any system bindings
     (like the gnome-shell lock binding of Ctrl+Alt+L)

* It doesn't conflict with any other Orca commands for the letters.

* The only place it conflicts is with the numbers. In particular,
     Alt + Shift + 1-6 are the commands for getting "Where am I
     information for this bookmark relative to the current pointer
     location".
     http://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/commands_bookmarks.html

As you will also see if you read those docs, the conflicting
keybindings are not for the primary bookmark functionality like
saving bookmarks or going to bookmarks. It's for (what I consider) a
set of fairly esoteric, not often needed commands.

So I'm going to ask a question and make a proposal:

Question: Who amongst you actually uses the commands specific to
getting "Where am I information for this bookmark relative to the
current pointer location".

Proposal:

a. Let's unbind those Where Am I bookmark commands.
b. Let's "steal" Alt+Shift+1-6 for the heading by level dialogs.
c. Let's use Alt+Shift+structural navigation letter for the rest.
      (including Alt+Shift+L for the list of lists) d. Let's use
Alt+Shift+K for the list of links

Thoughts?
--joanie

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